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Clinton Protected Terrorist Charity from FBI Shutdown
Newsmax ^ | 2/6/02 | Limbacher

Posted on 02/06/2002 7:44:05 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The former Occupied Land Fund = Holy Land Foundation.
61 posted on 02/07/2002 11:10:27 AM PST by _Jim
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Bump for later read
62 posted on 02/07/2002 11:13:23 AM PST by TX Bluebonnet
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To: OKCSubmariner
Seeking to sidestep the physical evidence at the scene of the Murrah building and the widespread done to downtown OKC indicating a lone, sole bomb clearly linked to McVeigh and Nichols during both their trials -

- you sure go out of your way to spin quite an exotic, improbable tale ...

Why is that?

Are sales from Charles Key's books/reports/'documentaries'/videos endeavors drying up?

63 posted on 02/07/2002 11:16:43 AM PST by _Jim
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Unnoted by U.S. News, then-first lady Hillary Clinton also feted Muslim supporters of Hamas at the White House. Her Senate campaign repeatedly raised money from groups with ties to Mideast terrorists - sometimes in secret - and disguised one contribution from the American Muslim Council as a donation from "the American Museum Council" in a Federal Election Commission filing.

This ALONE should keep Hillary from ever being considered as a presidential nominee, let alone a candidate!

64 posted on 02/07/2002 11:20:39 AM PST by Salvation
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To: OKCSubmariner
Read & comprehended. FWIW, here's the contents of that email I got back from James Paterson ( the Indystar reporter )


Thank you for your very kind and thought-provoking comments. Sorry that it has taken so long to get back to you. I will keep digging at what happened in Oklahoma. As you indicated, there is no reason that the government should be keeping the truth from its own citizens. Our government has no right to charge anyone for treason when it refuses to be truthful with its own people.

Best regards,
James Patterson

P.S. For more of my recent work on this issue, go to indystar.com and click on opinion. Then click on my name and you will be able to view my last four or five columns.


His email is:

JamesPatterson@indystar.com

65 posted on 02/07/2002 11:24:25 AM PST by backhoe
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To: _Jim
OKCSubmariner is just reiterating some Biblical truths, and he hasn't told the half of it.
66 posted on 02/07/2002 11:28:05 AM PST by Prodigal Daughter
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To: _Jim
Was your reply, 'Wm Bach', an attempt to justify the speaking for God or to justify the condemning and sentencing outside of a lawful trial?

Neither. I know that it's difficult for you to grasp, but it's ShadenFreudelicious to observe the attempt anyway - those pudgy fingers all wiggling vainly in the air...

67 posted on 02/07/2002 11:30:41 AM PST by Wm Bach
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Everybody means: those who doubt that the Clintons are capable of working with terrorists to advance their agenda.

Everything the Clinton Crime Gang does is aimed at increasing their power - which means - as in every organized crime group out there:

1. Using threats, blackmail, and - if necessary - physical violence to keep "squealers" quiet and to punish enemies and people who know too much.

2. Ignoring the crimes - illegalities - lawlessness of "friends" (including terrorists) and using whatever tools are available to FIND and/or CREATE crimes/wrongdoing/mistakes by "enemies".

3. Financial crimes out the kazoo. In government, the "racket" is perhaps not gambling and prostitution and drugs - though those have their place. The "racket" is attacking one's enemies with the terrorist tools mentioned above in order to advance one's agenda.

Terrorists are LAWLESS VIOLENT KILLERS OF INNOCENTS.

The very same can be said of the Clintons Crme Organization.

America knows it now but the crime gang members are still out there doing their thing. They won't stop until they have advanced their crime gang back into full power in this country....using whatever allies they can use....including terrorists!

The most dangerous terrorist in this country sits in the United States Senate and represents that State which above all others has been a victim of terrorist attack!

68 posted on 02/07/2002 11:36:13 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Wm Bach; rdavis84
For what it is worth I have read -Jim's replies for months now and not once has he ever contributed anything of substance to the debate. I respect those with a contrary view that support their position with evidence, but _Jim can only muster namecalling and the famous attack the messenger method to further his agenda. For example, he can not counter the overwhelming evidence confirming the role of John Doe II, so he attempts to disrupt with his emotionally based drivel.
69 posted on 02/07/2002 11:37:16 AM PST by honway
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To: Salvation
disguised one contribution from the American Muslim Council as a donation from "the American Museum Council"

Quite possible "was" will eventually become the three letter "is".

70 posted on 02/07/2002 11:39:37 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
What else is new? They want to feed & clothe that dumb kid 'Talaban John' for the rest of his life for treason when there is no Declaration of War by Congress but they give the real traitors,i.e., the Clintons, all the royalty treatment for the rest of their lives at the expense of the betrayed people of this country. fillup
71 posted on 02/07/2002 11:40:33 AM PST by Fillup
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
The senate's not a terrorist gang although it permitted Clinton to support the unconstitutional ventures Bush refuses to explore. I favor post administrative hearings to allow us to know more about the problems Clinton created in order to make it easier it kill the weeds. Offer him immunity with no more government retirement.
72 posted on 02/07/2002 11:49:39 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
immunity with no government retirement - for Clinton???? ha! First of all - he would not tell the truth. He could not. To do so would mean he would be put on trial for murder. The U.S. Senate did not kick him out because he had their FBI files. Period. The Clintons managed to get rid of Betty Currie's brother (and sister, I think) during that time in order to intimidate her into silence. They also, I believe, arranged for the head clerk of the Senate to be run over when he stepped of the curb and was hit by a person who had no business being on that side of town at that time of day.....and then there have been the assorted investigative people who have ended up dead.

It would be, however, very powerful if some of the Clinton INSIDERS could be put in front of an investigative committee - going after one or more of the Clinton crimes - someone who has, like Whitaker Chambers, seen the truth and has come forward with it in all its ugliness. That person would, however, have to have extraordinary courage.....but I have been advocating and praying for just such a scenario for many years.

73 posted on 02/07/2002 11:56:25 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: rdavis84,golitely,Uncle Bill,Askel5,Gal.5:1,Plummz,thinden,Prodigal Daughter,ratcat,Fred Mertz,Ro
If reply #57 is any indication, rdavis84 you were right in your reply #54 when you wrote about people like _Jim and the others in government:

"They just don't get it."

I wrote in reply #49 :

. " The terror will come to their doorstep and into their houses because of their perjury and evil. It will consume them and they will not escape."

This is a reference to Zechariah 5:1-4 which describes a flying scroll, a curse which the Lord will send to enter the house of perjurers, that will remain in the midst of the house and will consume it.

I might add the same verses say that the same curse will be used by God to destroy "thieves" as well as "perjurers" "over the face of the earth". One can see that thieves in government, in Congress, in the White House who deal in insider trading, and who take bribes from corrupt corporations (Pinnacle, Harken, Enron, Global Crossing), terrorist groups (Hamas, InfoCom, Holy Land Foundation)) and individuals (Khalid Mahfouz, wealthy Saudis and Bin Laden businesses and supporters) and terror nations like China are THIEVES themselves that will be consumed the same way as perjurers.

Government officials in DOJ, FBI, Congress, White House, etc, who are to uphold the law and protect the public from corrupt business thieves, will be dealt with even more severely by God when they perjurer themselves to cover-up their own involvement in bribes, being thieves and threatening witnesses to government cover-ups of and foreknowledge of terrorist murders.

_Jim and others in government should read Zechariah 5:4 but I wonder if they will scoff at it and doubt and say "where are these so called judgments of God"?

When it comes to the Bible and God's Word, _Jim is correct, I am downright bold in telling others what it says especially when they need to know what it says to save themselves from their own evil acts. If they were not warned boldly and clearly, they could try to claim that they had not been fairly warned.

I love them as people but I do not love what they do. God is not desirous that they perish in their own sins, that is why He had His Word written in the Bible and why we as believers are encouraged to boldly tell others about what is in the Bible so they won't perish. This is one of the ways God gives these people extra chances to repent.

Why do they not get it? Here are some of the possibilities:

They do not believe in or fear God and what He has said He will do about their type of evil in the Bible. When you repeat back to them what the Bible says they immediately try to claim you are trying to speak for God and be judge and jury. God will be the judge and jury but it does not take a rocket scientist to tell others what God has said in the Bible what He will do about evil like theirs in these situations.

They have a seared conscience and have become so reprobate that they are blind to their own lying and evil. This is another reason why they can be picked off by their weakest enemies-they lose their own wisdom to protect themselves with when they become reprobate. "Professing themselves to be wise they have become fools". To them, the "ends" has justified their "means" of lying and perjury. The "ends" for them is to protect themselves and their own perverted sense of preserving a corrupt DOJ and FBI system at all costs.

They still believe that by lying about the facts of these cases and by trying to smear others religious beliefs they will succeed in a cover-up at least before men. Even if they were to succeed with fooling men they either do not think there is a God who sees and who keeps score and holds them to account or they are willing to take a chance that they can repent in time before they die.

Even if these men no longer have a conscience, they are not free because they always have to worry about what other men will catch them at. These men have become dangerous because they are desperate and paranoid. Some even hope by killing the messengers and the message of God, they will be free of men's critical eyes. But if they kill the messenger and ignore the message, do they will even less free and even more tormented and will seal their own doom.

74 posted on 02/07/2002 11:57:31 AM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
Corrected (typos)last sentence for reply #74:

But if they kill the messenger and ignore the message, they will be even less free and even more tormented and will seal their own doom.

75 posted on 02/07/2002 12:01:46 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: backhoe,Wm Bach,honway,Freedom'sWorthIt
Please see replies #75 and #76.
76 posted on 02/07/2002 12:08:07 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: backhoe,Wm Bach,honway,Freedom'sWorthIt
Sorry, please see replies #74 and #75 instead.
77 posted on 02/07/2002 12:09:24 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
I'm not saying he would ever tell the truth. The point is he would be costing us $250,000 per year less.
78 posted on 02/07/2002 12:29:41 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Now that would be worth it. Do you think that he would testify as long as his "wife" is in the Senate? Under any circumstances? I don't.
79 posted on 02/07/2002 12:33:06 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: OKCSubmariner; honway; _Jim
"For what it is worth I have read -Jim's replies for months now and not once has he ever contributed anything of substance to the debate. I respect those with a contrary view that support their position with evidence, but _Jim can only muster namecalling and the famous attack the messenger method to further his agenda. For example, he can not counter the overwhelming evidence confirming the role of John Doe II, so he attempts to disrupt with his emotionally based drivel."

_Jim takes such a defensive, proactive role in matters concerning Waco, Ruby Ridge, and OKCBomb that it seems to be a form of denial by someone Very involved. I was in the Army during the My Lai massacre. I wasn't there, nor did I ever participate in any remotely similar activity. I could grasp a portion of what could push some G.I.'s over the edge but could never morally accept blindly following an order like that. I wanted those guilty of knowingly killing any Baby or young Child to be punished severely. I got out near the end of '68 while G.I. hatred was high so I just low keyed my service.

Defending the Indefensible, like several on FR do repeatedly does not make them Honorable to their "brotherhood", it makes them suckers.

80 posted on 02/07/2002 12:37:32 PM PST by rdavis84
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