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***Super Bowl 36 Thread***
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Posted on 02/03/2002 5:01:30 AM PST by The Wizard

Well sporets fans, here we are....a big game, heavy security and away we go....I have to be for the rams because belichick screwed the J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS


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To: SamAdams76
There are many Giants fan who agree with you
21 posted on 02/03/2002 5:57:51 AM PST by The Wizard
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To: YaYa123
we do shrimp cocktails, filet Mignon wine coolers and other stuff
22 posted on 02/03/2002 5:59:22 AM PST by The Wizard
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To: doosee
Then Brenda brought out her son, in a wheelchair. He was born a paraplegic, with Down syndrome. Kurtis told Brenda, "I still don't understand why the kids can't come with us."

Have received this e=mail nemerous times. The above part is not true. The boy was dropped on his head by his natural father when he was an infant. He suffered brain damage and is legally blind. Kurt Warner has adopted both of her children plus they now have two of their own.

23 posted on 02/03/2002 6:01:36 AM PST by barker
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To: doosee
Received this same story in email from a friend today. As with all internet stories, I would love to have the truth of it verified. One clue for me, in the email I received, was the complete lack of evidence as to who wrote it, or where it came from. It as yet does not have a reference that I can find, on Urban Legends, which can mean it is a new urban legend, or be a true story.
24 posted on 02/03/2002 6:03:10 AM PST by wita
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To: Illbay
I hope you didn't mean for it to come out that way but I'm sure you could rephrase yourself so people don't feel like you are calling them what I perceive you are calling them.
25 posted on 02/03/2002 6:08:46 AM PST by wita
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To: The Wizard
Announced this morning w/o explanation, kickoff moved to 6:30.

Go Pats.

26 posted on 02/03/2002 6:12:17 AM PST by JohnGalt
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; RedBloodedAmerican
Quarterback Brett Favre, after living a full life, died. When he got to heaven, God started showing him around.

They came to a modest little house with a faded Packers flag in the window. "This house is yours for eternity, Brett," said God. "This is very special; not everyone gets a house up here." Brett felt special, indeed, and walked up to his house.

On his way up the porch, he noticed another house just around the corner. It was a 3-story mansion with a blue and gold sidewalk, 50-foot tall flagpole with an enormous Rams logo flag, and in every window, a blue and gold helmet with horns on them.

Brett looked at God and said, "God, I'm not trying to be ungrateful, but I have a question. I was an All-Pro Quarterback, I won a Super Bowl, and I even went to the Hall of Fame."

God said, "So, what do you want to know, Brett?"

"Well, why does Kurt Warner get a better house than me?"

God chuckled and said, "Brett, that's not Kurt Warner's house, it's mine."

27 posted on 02/03/2002 6:15:42 AM PST by barker
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To: barker
Vikings colors, perhaps ?
28 posted on 02/03/2002 6:27:32 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: The Wizard
Good morning everyone. :-)

Alas, the Patriots are not going to win the Super Bowl, not with the fact the Rams are playing in the type of environment where their offense really thrives--namely inside on artificial turf. Rams 38, Patriots 20.

29 posted on 02/03/2002 6:28:14 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: wita
What was that perception?
30 posted on 02/03/2002 6:32:46 AM PST by Illbay
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To: TPartyType
As others here have already pointed out, it is true about what Parcells did. It was a huge story here in New England at the time. It was a well known fact that Parcells did not get along with (owner) Bob Kraft. The main reason for the rift was that Kraft did not give Parcells total control over personnel decision with the franchise. But he did have a contract to coach New England another two years and at any rate, had the responsibility to prepare the team for the Super Bowl game against the Packers.

As you can imagine, Parcells was a huge icon here in New England the year that New England went to the Super Bowl. He was as popular up here as he was in New York during the Giant years. But he destroyed all the goodwill he had when he cut a secret deal with the Jets during the Super Bowl break. Why he couldn't wait just another week until the Super Bowl was over and then extract himself from his contract with the Patriots in some honorable fashion is beyond me. My take is that Parcells is a vindictive egomaniac who simply wanted to ruin the Super Bowl for Bob Kraft and was willing to screw his own team in order to do it. It is true that immediately after the Super Bowl game, Parcells ditched on the team. He didn't even get on the plane home with them. I won't go as far as saying that Parcells didn't want to win that game (against Green Bay) but it is obvious that he was more concerned with ironing out the details of his deal with the Jets that week than he was with the game plan against Green Bay.

Parcells didn't acquit himself very well when he got to New York either, but I'll let the Jets fans tell that story.

31 posted on 02/03/2002 6:35:38 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Vikings colors, perhaps ?

Never, ever the Vikings. They deserve Elvis Grbac. As for me, I bleed KC Chiefs red and gold and KC Royals blue

32 posted on 02/03/2002 6:39:32 AM PST by barker
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To: wita;doosee;barker;Illbay
Very nice story ... parts of it are even true - like his name is Kurt (;)(Don't get me wrong - it brought a tear to my eye) but when in doubt go first to snopes.com.
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Glurge Gallery (Kurt Reply) body { scrollbar-face-color: #FFEC8B; scrollbar-arrow-color: #FF1493; scrollbar-highlight-color: #FF1493; scrollbar-3dlight-color: #FF1493; scrollbar-darkshadow-color: #FF1493; scrollbar-track-color: #FFEC8B; scrollbar-shadow-color: #FF1493; }
        Kurt Reply
 

Claim:   Kurt Warner, quarterback of the St. Louis Rams, married a woman who had two children, one a special needs child.

Status:   True.

Example:   [Collected on the Internet, 2002]


Here's the Story: In a supermarket, Kurtis the stock boy, was busily working when a new voice came over asking for a carry out at check register 4. Kurtis was almost finished, and wanted to get some fresh air, and decided to answer the call. As he approached the check-out stand a distant smile caught his eye, the new check out girl was beautiful. She was an older woman (maybe 26, and he was only 22) and he fell in love.

Later that day, after his shift was over, he waited by the punch clock to find out her name. She came into the break room, smiled softly at him, took her card and punched out, then left. He looked at her card, BRENDA. He walked out only to see her start walking up the road.

Next day, he waited outside as she left the supermarket, and offered her a ride home. He looked harmless enough, and she accepted. When he dropped her off, he asked if maybe he could see her again, outside of work. She simply said it wasn't possible. He pressed and and she explained she had two children and she couldn't afford a baby-sitter, so he offered to pay for the baby-sitter. Reluctantly she accepted his offer for a date for the following Saturday.

That Saturday night he arrived at her door only to have her tell him that she was unable to go with him. The baby-sitter had called and canceled. To which Kurtis simply said, "Well, lets take the kids with us." She tried to explain that taking the children was not an option, but again not taking no for an answer, he pressed. Finally Brenda, brought him inside to meet her children. She had a older daughter who was just as cute as a bug, Kurtis thought, then Brenda brought out her son, in a wheelchair.

He was born a paraplegic with down syndrome. Kurtis asked Brenda, "I still don't understand why the kids can't come with us?" Brenda was amazed. Most men would run away from a woman with two kids, especially if one had disabilities. Just like her first husband and father of her children did.

That evening Kurtis and Brenda loaded up the kids, went to dinner and the movies. When her son needed anything Kurtis would take care of him. When he needed to use the rest room, he picked him up out of his chair, took him, brought him back. The kids loved Kurtis. At the end of the evening, Brenda knew this was the man she was going to marry and spend the rest of her life with. A year later, they were married and Kurtis adopted both of her children . Since then they have added two more kids.

So what happened to the stock boy and check out girl? Well, Mr. & Mrs. Kurt Warner, now live in St. Louis, where he is employed by the St. Louis Rams and plays quarterback.

Origins:   Eeesh, what to do with such a glurge? The premise of the story -- that Kurt Warner of the Rams married the mother of two children, one of whom which had severe medical problems -- is true. On the other hand, most of the key details given in the now widely e-mailed story are wrong. (Which in itself is a crying shame because the real story about Kurt's and Brenda's path through life is far more inspiring than this factually incorrect one.) Ram tough

Let's address the inaccuracies first:

Kurt and Brenda did not meet while both were working in a grocery store, so you can throw out all that bit about his mooning over her timecard. They met in 1992 at a country bar while he was Northern Iowa's starting quarterback. (After being cut by the Green Bay Packers in 1994, Kurt did find employment in a grocery store, though: He stocked shelves at a Hy-Vee in Cedar Rapids for $5.50 an hour.) The next morning Kurt brought Brenda roses and wanted to meet her youngsters. She'd told Kurt about her children the night before, so there was no dramatic surprise when she wheeled in a paraplegic son.

The Warners' was a lengthy courtship. They married in 1997 after meeting in 1992 (not "a year later," as the e-mail has it).

Brenda (who is four years older than Kurt) had two children by a previous marriage; however, the e-mail version has their birth order reversed. In real life, Zachary is three years older than his sister, Jesse Jo. (More on this seemingly picayune point later because it's pivotal to the real story of Brenda Warner's life before Kurt.)

Zachary Warner (now 12) does indeed have serious physical infirmities, but how he came by them is far more of a story than the Internet fiction lets on. He was a perfectly healthy infant, not a Down Syndrome child. When he was four months old, his father dropped him, and in the blink of an eye, this previously healthy baby was suddenly clinging to life, his grip slipping fast. He suffered severe brain damage, and both of his retinas were ruptured. At the time, few thought Zachary would live, and fewer still held out any hope he would ever see, sit up, read, walk, or talk.

Zachary's recovery has been long and arduous, but he now walks and talks. Though still legally blind, he can make out colors and shapes. No longer strictly a special-needs student, he is integrated for half-days in a regular seventh-grade class.

Kurt adopted Zachary and Jesse after his wedding to Brenda in 1997. The Warners have since added two more children to their brood: Kade in 1998, and Jada in 2001.

As for what sort of lad Zachary is and what kind of relationship he enjoys with his adoptive father, this anecdote should say it all: After the Rams victory in the NFC Championship game in 2000, 10-year-old Zachary presented Kurt with a homemade card done in Rams blue and gold. Inside, in childlike scrawl, it read: "You're as good a dad as you are a quarterback!"

Zachary's birth dad could hardly be described in similar fashion. An inability to come to terms with the injuries he'd visited upon his son led to the breakup of his marriage to Brenda. He left her when she was eight months pregnant with Jesse.

Over and above the numerous inaccuracies, the worst offence this particular e-mailed glurge is guilty of is omission. Not content with recasting the details of the Warners' lives (and the reality had the fiction beat, remember), it leaves by the wayside horrendously large chunks of a truly thrilling story of the sort one usually pays $9.00 to see at the movies:

  • All the heartbreak Kurt endured trying to get into the NFL, and the many setbacks he had to weather along the way. So many of our gridiron heroes go in as highly touted draft picks it's sometimes hard to realize some take a tortuous path to the pigskin paradise of the NFL. Kurt presented as a free agent to the Green Bay Packers in 1994, was signed, then cut by them that same year. In 1997 he had a tryout scheduled with the Chicago Bears which fell through when an injury sustained during his honeymoon rendered him hors de combat. (A venomous spider had bitten him on his throwing elbow.) He had to muck about in the Arena and European leagues before finally being taken on by the Rams in 1997 as their third-string quarterback. In 1999 he stepped in during the preseason in place of injured Trent Green and began almost immediately to rewrite Rams' history.

  • Brenda's battle to make a life for herself and her two children after her first husband deserted her. This former Marine had to return to her parents' home when she was eight months pregnant with her second child and with a brain-damaged child already in tow. She completed her nursing training during this period, getting by with the help of food stamps and student loans.

  • The death of Brenda's parents in Mountain View, Arkansas, in a tornado in 1996. They'd retired there just a year earlier.

  • Kurt's embracing of Christianity in 1996. (Although he was raised a Catholic, he dates his spiritual awakening to those dark days in the wake of the deaths of Brenda's parents.)

  • Kurt's throwing for a record 414 yards in his 23-16 Super Bowl XXXIV victory over the Tennessee Titans and being named that contest's Most Valuable Player. This new mark topped the previous record of 357 yards set by San Francisco's Joe Montana in Super Bowl XXIII and capped an astounding 4,353-yard, 41-touchdown regular season that won him league MVP honors.

As you can see, falling in love with and then marrying a gal who had two children, one of them a special needs child, was just part of this most remarkable story.

In Super Bowl XXXVI, Kurt Warner will again lead the St. Louis Rams in their quest for another victory, and perhaps on that day yet another chapter of triumph will be written in this man's life. But win or lose, Warner is already the stuff of legends. Deservedly.

Barbara "it's a warner-ful life" Mikkelson

Last updated:   29 January 2002

The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/glurge/warner.htm

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by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson
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References: Sources:
    Archdeacon, Tom.   "It's a Warner-ful Life."
    Dayton Daily News.   31 January 2000.

    Cabot, Mary Kay.   "He's Ready for His Close-Up."
    The [Cleveland] Plain Dealer.   30 January 2000   (p. C1).

    Gordon, Jeff.   "Faith Guides Warner's Fate."
    St. Louis Post-Dispatch.   10 October 1999   (p. D1).

    Gregorian, Vahe.   "Amazingly Graced."
    St. Louis Post-Dispatch.   13 January 2002   (p. D1).

    Malone, Roy.   "'Expect a Lot of Yourself,' Brenda Warner Tells Admirers."
    St. Louis Post-Dispatch.   12 March 2000   (p. C12).

    Shatel, Tom.   "How Will Kurt End His Story?"
    Omaha World-Herald.   30 January 2000   (p. C1).
 
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33 posted on 02/03/2002 6:42:25 AM PST by Tunehead54
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To: The Wizard
Although I am no longer a New Englander, I say "GO PATS!!" New Englanders deserve it, the Pats deserve it and so does Belichek.
34 posted on 02/03/2002 6:50:07 AM PST by yikes
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To: SamAdams76
Will McDonough wrote a very long piece a few weeks after Parcells left witnessing a meeting between Parcells
and Kraft a few days after the AFC game where Parcells tried to get Kraft to agree to let him out of contract.
The Clymer.

He has said the greatest moment he has as a coach is when him and his team are being introduced in the Super Bowl.
I saw him at that moment in New Orleans and he looked like a man who had has novacain where off too early.
A great coach would make sure that Desmond Howard would not get anywhere near the ball on kickoffs.

35 posted on 02/03/2002 6:51:47 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Tunehead54
Thanks for the real story. I'm going to forward it to everyone that sent me the other incorrect one.
36 posted on 02/03/2002 6:52:22 AM PST by barker
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To: Tunehead54
Thanks for that. On the one hand it's good to know that the gist of the story is true, and maybe even more fascinating than the Urban Legend version.

On the other: What am I always telling people about blurbs and anecdotes that come to you with no source cited? Sheesh, is my face red!

37 posted on 02/03/2002 6:53:24 AM PST by Illbay
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To: wheezer
You've got it backwards.
38 posted on 02/03/2002 6:53:49 AM PST by metesky
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To: wita
they did a special on him one week. It is true.
39 posted on 02/03/2002 6:57:20 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
These uniforms are clearly better than the ones two years ago. I don't understand why the owner/bimbo, had to trash the ones they were wearing when she barged her way into the ownership position(I could say worse, but it may be slanderous). They were the best uniforms in all of football, especially the all dark ones, man I loved the Rams back then(of course until the tragic drowning and fight over possession of the heirs to the owner happened.)
40 posted on 02/03/2002 7:01:06 AM PST by jeremiah
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