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George Bush's Big Government Adventure
Free Republic and Various ^ | 01-30-02 | aaabest

Posted on 01/30/2002 3:51:59 PM PST by AAABEST

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To: AAABEST
LOL! I just noticed something. Your passage,

71.5 billion over 10 years for government health care

The passage from the NYT/AP article you based your above iaticized passage,

Conservatives typically prefer a free-market approach, which would have families choose their own health insurance packages in the open market. Bush's plan, first made when he was running for president and included in his budget last year, will offer tax breaks to help pay often-steep premiums.

This year's proposal will be essentially unchanged and worth up to $1,000 per person or $2,000 per couple, according to an administration official speaking on condition of anonymity. Like last year, it will be available to people who don't owe federal taxes -- typically people with very low incomes.

Last year's proposal, which was phased in over a number of years, set the income limit at $30,000 in adjusted gross income for individual tax filers and $60,000 for married couples.

The plan's cost was estimated at $71.5 billion over 10 years

LOL, you got snookered by the AP. In AP terms the $71.5 billion it "costs", is the "cost"(i.e lost revenue) to the federal treasury due to the tax credits.

221 posted on 01/30/2002 6:17:12 PM PST by Dane
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To: willa
Sometimes I wonder if anybody is paying attention to what is going on. Glad I'm not alone.

We are, and your not alone.

222 posted on 01/30/2002 6:17:13 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: AAABEST
Naaaaaaaaaw............no bashing here. No bashing of you, who posted this; and I didn't take this thread as "Bush-bashing", either.

Your points are well made, targeted, lucid, and................accurate.

Look, I think we can all agree that GW is a good man. He has truly risen to the "occasion" since 9/11. He's a highly capable CinC, has a top notch cabinet and collection of advisors, etc., etc., etc.

However, it would be disingenuous of me to say that the growth of the Fed under his administration didn't bother me. It bothers me a lot. I'm not quite sure why he's done it, except to somehow bend over backward and show the Democrats that he, too, can give away taxpayer funds to be "compassionate".

I don't see him as a strict Constitutionalist. I am. GW and I may have to agree to disagree.

Anyway, just wanted you to know (from another long-time FReeper) that your concerns are shared by others; you aren't alone.

223 posted on 01/30/2002 6:19:04 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: DLfromthedesert
YES!!!! And many of the newly Federalized Airport workers who are patting our bodies down and going through our personal stuff are not even citizens!!! But we're supposed to smile like good little sheeple and thank them for keeping us safe, even if they don't have any idea what they are doing!!!

You neglected to mention "and stealing our stuff". It happened to my wife last Friday at O'Hare... cash stolen from her purse by a security screener while a cooperating screener made sure her back was turned. Never, ever let these people go through your property unless you're watching them!

As for Dubya, as proud as I am to have a man and woman of honor in the White House, I am disappointed at a number of his actions. I'm withholding my opinion of his speech for now. I can understand and appreciate his "centrist" rhetoric as a way of de-clawing the dimocRATS (as Clinton did to the GOP). However, actions speak louder than words. I'm gonna watch. Very carefully.

Effective immediately, I expect Mr President to stop publically sucking up to the drunken senator from Taxachusetts.

224 posted on 01/30/2002 6:19:09 PM PST by RightRules
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To: A.J.Armitage
"Actually, he has cut back Government in certain respects. See "Southack"'s post for a list of instances." Trivial compared to the ones in the article at the top.

Did Bush cut back discretionary spending compared to the rates of inflation and population growth?

225 posted on 01/30/2002 6:19:19 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: rob777
Yeah but I do not think we will ever have the constituition back I wish all entitlements and the income tax could be abolished but call me cynical I don't think it will ever happen.
226 posted on 01/30/2002 6:20:06 PM PST by weikel
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife; Ben Ficklin
Chech out reply #221.
227 posted on 01/30/2002 6:20:10 PM PST by Dane
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To: TransOxus
Clinton was so far to the left that he made RINOs look like they were to the right.

Exactly! I remember thinking how conservative Olympia Snowe was!

228 posted on 01/30/2002 6:20:14 PM PST by Holden Magroin
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To: sam_paine
"We're gonna do it my way now"

His way is totalitarianism. See Patriot Act.
http://www.politechbot.com/docs/usa.act.final.102401.html

229 posted on 01/30/2002 6:20:20 PM PST by Ragin1
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To: shuckmaster
Hey Shucks!

The gubbermint is smaller today than it was 20yrs ago.

230 posted on 01/30/2002 6:21:00 PM PST by VinnyTex
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To: Van Delay Industries
Sorry to bug you, but I love your name...that is from THE! best episode.
231 posted on 01/30/2002 6:22:34 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: Ben Ficklin; A.J.Armitage
The idealists don't much care for Bush. The realists know what he is up against.

The idealists think that Bush should be Ruling as a Monarch. The realists know that the man barely got in.

The idealists think they saw Bush kissing Ted Kennedy's ass over the ED bill. The realists saw him blowing smoke up Ted's ass.

HEAR! HEAR!!!! This Paine is a REALIST!!!

232 posted on 01/30/2002 6:23:02 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: AAABEST
Thanks for stating the obvious
233 posted on 01/30/2002 6:24:00 PM PST by nononsense
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To: Ben Ficklin
BUMP
234 posted on 01/30/2002 6:26:26 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: meenie
heads and tails of the same coin as it were.
235 posted on 01/30/2002 6:26:46 PM PST by IRtorqued
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To: incindiary
But apparently, the only enemy some of you recognize are the ones with a (D) by their name.

That is an extremely limited and WRONG statement. I will criticize anyone of any party if they are wrong. But I don't happen to think President Bush is. And I think the Democrats are extremely worried about that. In fact,.. I wonder if many who post in these threads, aren't just that "DEMS" Who are trying to disrupt the biggest threat they have.. PRESIDENT BUSH!!!

Daschle is the sole person holding up a stimulus package.. there is bi-partisan support for it. In otherwords.. it would pass.

He ALONE is holding back 49 issues from going up for voting in the Senate. That he has a "D" behind his name is his fault. Not mine.

236 posted on 01/30/2002 6:27:34 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
The government has all the answers, eh? We just need another welfare package for a stimulus, right? Big Brother.
237 posted on 01/30/2002 6:30:41 PM PST by Ragin1
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
I wonder if many who post in these threads, aren't just that "DEMS"

You couldn't be more wrong. Check out incindiary's home page.

238 posted on 01/30/2002 6:34:21 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: St.Chuck
I've read the comments and most are sympathetic to the original article. Which is refreshing. Most articles critical of Bush are met with intense hostility. This thread, with a few exceptions, contains a lot of agreement with the sentiments of the original article.

You are correct and I was mistaken for not beleiveing that someone could read all the comments and then post back on the first reply.

BTW, any comments on reply #221?

239 posted on 01/30/2002 6:34:26 PM PST by Dane
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
I love your kind of attitude. When I see it.. I keep thinking.. "yeah.. your the kind of person I want protecting me.. NOT!!!"

That is your loss. You seem to have bought into the idea that only some people are responsible for law and order, not the whole of society. You seem to think protection and justice are only the product of government.

This country is doing pretty darn good.

Oh we are wealthy and can blow people up real well. But we kill lots of unborn children, have a significant amount of substance abuse (especially perscribed anti-depressants), have strangers raise our children, work slavishly in office buildings surrounded by huge parking lots and nothing else, have almost completely destroyed the family, and lock up a larger percentage of citizens than most other countries in the world. I think that as has been shown by all of history, material wealth is bought at the cost of our dignity.
240 posted on 01/30/2002 6:35:34 PM PST by verboten
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