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1 posted on 01/30/2002 10:46:32 AM PST by TopQuark
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Bullshit. Sure, there are a couple of people who hit puberty at that age. I am sure that there always have been. Let's see this study that the average girl is menstrating at 6 or 7. I don't but it.
2 posted on 01/30/2002 10:48:40 AM PST by Rodney King
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"She was menstruating at 7 months, and by 9 months, she was menstruating regularly," Ojeda says. .... Researchers believe that everyday environmental toxins trigger signals to the brain to begin puberty before the body is ready.

Oh, please. How many "everyday environmental toxins" could she have been exposed to by age 7 months, to the point where it completely screwed up her reproductive system? I say balderdash.

3 posted on 01/30/2002 10:50:38 AM PST by mountaineer
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This study was funded out of the White House petty cash account until last year....
4 posted on 01/30/2002 10:51:43 AM PST by tracer
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The acceleration we are seeing in the onset of puberty is likely not genetic. Just 50 years ago, the average age was around 16, now it's closer to 10 yrs. What has changed in the past 50 years that could cause us to sexually mature more rapidly? Could the hormones given to dairy cattle cause these effects in us? Milk is a key component in almost everything we eat. Dairy farmers routinely give cattle hormones to increase milk production, making the cattle lactate at a younger age, and for a longer duration. Growth hormones are used in the beef, poultry and pork production. I'm open to other thoughts, but the fact is, we are changing .... and the change is NOT global. Children in other cultures are not experiencing the changes American children are.
5 posted on 01/30/2002 10:53:17 AM PST by Hodar
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Ojeda says that plastic toxins mimic hormones like estrogen, which play a key role in stimulating the brain.

And If this excess estrogen, is forcing supranatural changes in little girls, what would it be doing to little boys (Estrogen=Opposite of Testosterone...)?????

6 posted on 01/30/2002 10:53:25 AM PST by hobbes1
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"Chemical estrogen" is a known scientific fraud. Pure scaremongering and either tendentious or incompetent reportage to not note this.
7 posted on 01/30/2002 10:53:44 AM PST by eno_
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this is old news. i think the NYT magazine had an article on this last year.
11 posted on 01/30/2002 10:55:06 AM PST by modern_orthodox
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Some of this is just pure junk science, but there does seem to be a problem at work. As for babies, give me a break. Something else is in play there. < sarcasm >As for the older kids, I'm sure the hormones fed to beef has nothing to do with it.< /sarcasm >
13 posted on 01/30/2002 10:55:37 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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From equityfeminism.com:

Is Puberty Really Starting Earlier for Girls?

By Brian Carnell

Monday, February 19, 2001

I consider myself a pretty skeptical person, but I have to confess I took claims that girls were reaching puberty at face value. Surely such a claim, based on studies published in some relatively prestigious journals, had a lot of data behind them. Most of the debate in the media over this claim was what was causing early puberty. Environmentalists suggested manmade chemicals as a possible cause, some doctors suggested the high levels of obesity in children, while some feminists and conservatives suggested that the high level of sexual images in contemporary media might somehow be responsible.

It turns out, however, that the alleged evidence for early puberty is severely flawed and the quick acceptance of early puberty may be preventing some girls from obtaining the best health care available.

The New York Times' Gina Kolata, who has helped debunk other junk science issues in the past, reported on the debate over early puberty this week. The evidence for the phenomenon is appallingly absent. Apparently the claim is based entirely on study by Dr. Marcia E. Herman-Giddens that was published in Pediatrics in 1997. Herman-Giddens study looked at 17,0777 girls aged 3 to 12. The girls had gone to a pediatricians office from July 1992 through September 1993. Herman-Giddens managed to persuade 225 health care providers at 65 private practices in the United States to evaluate any girls they saw for early onset of puberty.

As she reported in her 1997 article, of that sample population, Black girls began developing breasts at 8.87 years while white girls began developing breasts at 9.96 years. Many pediatrics textbooks, taking these numbers at face value, pushed back the lower end of normal puberty to age 6 for black girls and age 7 for white girls. But did they have a good basis for doing so? No.

The first major problem with the study is that the sample is incredibly biased. By focusing exclusively on girls who were brought to see a pediatrician, it is possible that Herman-Giddens is simply measuring the rate of premature puberty brought on by other health problems. After all, parents who are worried that their daughters are experiencing puberty early are more likely to bring their children to see a pediatrician about that problem. In statistics this is called a selection bias.

The second major problem is that the only marker of puberty for which reliable data exists for a long period of time -- the consent of menstruation -- has remained steady for the last 50 years. There simply is no data on the average age that breasts start developing, but there is reliable long-term data for menstruation. That age has remained stable, even in Herman-Giddens study, at 12 years and 8 months for white girls and a bit earlier for black girls. If puberty is starting earlier and earlier it is very odd that the average age of menstruation has remained so consistent.

A group of pediatric endocrinologists wrote a letter to Pediatrics recently lamenting that doctors who believe this data are giving incorrect health advice to young girls. As they note, early puberty can be the result of serious health problems, such as brain tumors and other disorders, but parents who bring in girls who are experiencing early puberty are simply told that this is normal and no further tests or investigation are warranted. As Dr. Laura K. Bachrach told The New York Times, "You don't just dismiss a child in that age range [under 7]. I think it is potentially medically dangerous."

18 posted on 01/30/2002 11:00:57 AM PST by Rodney King
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You will some find rebuttals to dear Dr. Sergio Ojeda at another site:

Girls Are Developing Too Early, Aren't They? by Dennis M. Styne, M.D.

Note first line: A rumor is in the air – and often in the news –that girls are starting puberty at ever-younger ages.

19 posted on 01/30/2002 11:01:17 AM PST by bwteim
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Wow! Bubba and Roger can get 'em even younger, now. I bet they'll be thrilled to hear this news.
25 posted on 01/30/2002 11:08:05 AM PST by Major Matt Mason
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Odd how physical maturity is arriving earlier, while mental and emotional maturity appear to be deferred indefinitely.
44 posted on 01/30/2002 11:37:35 AM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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It's genetic or environmental folks. And it's not normal.

If it's genetic then why would the reproductive clock start before the female body is capable of delivering a child.

Is the birth canal large enough on a 9 or 10 year old to handle birth?

Maybe this somehow ties in with the increase in ovarian, prostate and breast cancer.

Just a thought...

51 posted on 01/30/2002 11:46:29 AM PST by Archaeus
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Ojeda says that plastic toxins mimic hormones like estrogen, which play a key role....

Notice that nowhere does the article talk about the estrogen contributed by soy. Soy advocates will tell you it's "insignificant", but it certainly has to be as big a factor as plastic containers -- especially considering that soy is now used a a filler in most processed food, and that life in the years since "Women's Lib" has had mothers focus on their careers instead of their families, and turning to a full diet of soy-based formulae for their babies.

53 posted on 01/30/2002 11:59:31 AM PST by LantzALot
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I have 2 daughters aged 12 and 13. They started at 11 and 12 as did most of their peers. There is no way the average is 6-8. This is garbage. No doubt however that mense is starting earlier than in times past by a couple of years and most folks attribute it to body weight. Girls in tropical climates have historically always started earlier for some reason.
57 posted on 01/30/2002 1:25:54 PM PST by wardaddy
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Thank Goodness my grandaughters (ages 10 & 12) are old fashioned girls.
62 posted on 01/30/2002 2:45:07 PM PST by Ditter
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I understand the earlier they hit puberty the higher their risk for cancer.
67 posted on 01/30/2002 3:00:07 PM PST by A CA Guy
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Well here is somthing else to blame us guys about.
70 posted on 01/30/2002 4:02:29 PM PST by M.K. Borders
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Junk Science
79 posted on 01/30/2002 7:57:54 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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They say mothers milk is contaminated by unknown poisons in her system. That could spark up in all different ways in a growing lad/laddy.
82 posted on 01/30/2002 10:51:59 PM PST by oceanperch
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