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Inventor Says He's Found Free Energy
IOL ^ | 1-22-2002 | Kevin Smith

Posted on 01/22/2002 5:43:47 AM PST by blam

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This was also on Paul Harvey today so now I know it's true.
141 posted on 01/22/2002 9:06:12 AM PST by freedomlover
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
NOBODY has ever seen a black hole. Yet, despite this lack of direct evidence, most scientists believe that a massive star at the end of its life can implode to form an object so dense that nothing-not even light-can escape.

They may be about to change their minds, however. Two researchers in the US are pointing out that physicists have swept some "humiliating" problems with black holes under the carpet. By confronting these problems, they say, they have found an alternative fate for a collapsing star.

Emil Mottola of theLos Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico and Pawel Mazur of the University of South Carolina in Columbia think it mightturn into an exotic bubble of superdense matter, an object they call a gravastar.

I read this somewheere

142 posted on 01/22/2002 9:09:33 AM PST by scouse
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To: Lord_Baltar
Excuse me Mr. Physicist, I just wanted to clarify something, does an apprehension over sharing ones name by default mean that whatever the "hidden identity" person says or does invalid?

It means they're not likely to be forthcoming, O Lord. RightWhale was asking for details; do you think he's likely to get them?

(If, on the other hand, you're making an insinuation about my anonymity, try clicking on my screen name and you'll find out exactly who I am. It used to be possible to list one's email address along with one's screen name on FR; I made a point of including mine with every post or reply I made. It is sterner@sterner.hep.upenn.edu.)

143 posted on 01/22/2002 9:10:22 AM PST by Physicist
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
The Undertones!!!! Boy it's been years since I've heard of Fergal Sharkey and the boys!!! :-)

Personally speaking I'd have to say Black 47 are the best Irish music export! :-)

144 posted on 01/22/2002 9:11:17 AM PST by Happygal
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To: scouse
I read this somewheere

Try here. You might also find out why we think there are black holes, even though we've never seen them.

145 posted on 01/22/2002 9:14:10 AM PST by Physicist
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To: blam
Believe it when I actually see it.
146 posted on 01/22/2002 9:15:35 AM PST by Destructor
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
Now the Undertones - THERE'S an Irish band!!

Not bad, but Stiff Little Fingers gets my vote.

147 posted on 01/22/2002 9:16:17 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist
hehehehehehe Geez, Do I have to use those ridiculous :) things when kidding with someone around here...
148 posted on 01/22/2002 9:19:16 AM PST by Lord_Baltar
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To: Lord_Baltar
Like an earlier poster said, I don't know if there is anything to this or not, but let's face facts, each new invention had it's birth in the mind of someone, somebody else called a crackpot.

Examples? Well, Bell and his Telephone, Ford and his "Horseless Carriages", and let's not forget Ron Popeel and his Pocket Fisherman.

I beg to differ, both these men were highly respected. This idea that past "crackpots" have ended up being right is a canard. The vast majority of crack-pot ideas, at least in the modern, scientific era, have turned out to be bullsh*t. There is a difference between being "unorthodox" and crackpot. Perpetual motion is just about the most cracked of the crackpot ideas there is.

149 posted on 01/22/2002 9:22:24 AM PST by Paradox
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To: Don Joe
"If it is a more efficient widget, he should get a patent."
What happens if it has military or national security applications (or implications), and is deemed something that would be dangerous to same if it was allowed to fall into the hands of the country's adversaries?
Black helicopters come and take you away. ;-)

You can still file your application but it becomes secret. You also can’t file a foreign application, IIRC.

patent  +AMDG

150 posted on 01/22/2002 9:27:26 AM PST by patent
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To: Lord_Baltar
Nice recovery.

:-)

151 posted on 01/22/2002 9:27:39 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Paradox
Perpetual motion is just about the most cracked of the crackpot ideas there is.

Agree completely. I keep hearing lets keep an open mind. However, lets not open it so far all of the brains fall out!

152 posted on 01/22/2002 9:28:49 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RightWhale
The Office of Patents and Trademarks [if he files in the US] will classify the device as perpetual motion anyway and reject the claims out of hand. He might get a design patent for a magnet configuration, but nothing more.
First, the PTO rejects all claims out of hand, regardless of what you are claiming, perpetual motion machine or a new dishwasher. I can count on one hand the number of patents I have seen issue without the claims being rejected. It happens, but rarely. If you want a patent you then have to respond to that objection and demonstrate why you deserve a patent.

Second, if you have a halfway competent attorney it won’t be classified that way. It all depends on how you characterize it, etc. The issue is what he claims. If he claims a perpetual motion machine he won’t get a patent. If he claims a more efficient widget and submits data to back that up, he likely will.

patent  +AMDG

153 posted on 01/22/2002 9:29:20 AM PST by patent
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To: Paradox
I beg to differ, both these men were highly respected.

Until one of them started spray-painting his own head, anyway.

154 posted on 01/22/2002 9:30:16 AM PST by Physicist
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To: blam
"Hope they solved that nasty friction problem first."

"Superconducting magnetic levitation."

In a vacuum.

155 posted on 01/22/2002 9:32:15 AM PST by realpatriot
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To: blam
Inventor Says He's Found Free Energy

Until the people from the power company discovered the meter bypass line....

156 posted on 01/22/2002 9:33:17 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Physicist
Until one of them started spray-painting his own head, anyway.

Ha, there's always a skeptic. I'm sure that was a major breakthrough for some folks out there.

Before:

After:

I'm sure it works better than any Irish perpetual-motion machine, anyway.

157 posted on 01/22/2002 9:41:32 AM PST by general_re
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To: dogbyte12
But, for example, if somebody found a way to harness the power of static electricity in the air in a meaningful way, it would not violate the first law, but still be an amazing power generator.

Static electricity is not an available source of electricity waiting to be tapped. It is the result of the forceful re-distribution of positive and negative charges in air. It takes work to get these charges distributed correctly and there is always loss in the forceful re-distribution, hence, the Laws of Thermodynamics are still in effect.

You still don't have free energy lying around. It's just like other forms of energy; they are all potential forms of energy and the conversion of energy makes it useful, whether it's oil or Hydrogen from water or natural gas, etc.

158 posted on 01/22/2002 9:47:45 AM PST by webstersII
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To: js1138
And what does a voltage reading have to do with power production? A fully charged lead-acid battery will read a pretty constant voltage.

Not so. The standard car battery voltage can vary all the way up to 13.8 volts. The total when they started (48.9) was more than 12 x 4 = 48 volts anyway. The way they conducted the test was not an unreasonable assumption about energy transfer back to the batteries but who the heck knows what was in that "black box"? Sounds suspicious.

160 posted on 01/22/2002 9:51:35 AM PST by webstersII
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