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Dying to Kill - Suicide Versus Democracy
National Review ^ | 1/18/03 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 01/18/2002 5:48:47 AM PST by veronica

This past summer I had a spirited discussion with a prominent historian. He assured me that the wave of suicide bombings on the West Bank marked "a revolutionary" break with the past.

It was a "new" tactic, he said — one for which Israel and other free societies simply had no antidote. "You see," he confidently announced, "when people wish to kill you more than they want to live, theirs is a cause that won't die." I replied that there that had been no kamikazes since the surrender of Japan on August 15, 1945 — and that Japanese militarism still seemed quite dead to me.

There is no doubt that suicide bombing portends terrible things for citizens of affluent democracies. What sort of sinister zeal possesses men to give up their lives to kill others? Why would these killers hate us to such a degree as to destroy themselves and us at once? Why do they prefer the next world to the present one?

I. "Holy" Warriors Are Not New

Warriors who deliberately seek death in battle — whether to end their own misery amid certain defeat, to undergo offensive missions that hold out no chance of their own survival, or to kill the enemy without hope of escape — are not altogether rare in history. When nearly surrounded, King Leonidas of Sparta sent away thousands of his army from Thermopylae in 480 B.C. There, with his remaining 299 Spartans and a few hundred Thespians and Thebans, he prepared to leave the confines of the pass and charge out to fight amid a sea of thousands of Persian troops. "Fight with great courage," the king told his Spartans hours before annihilation. "Today we will dine among the dead."

During the failed Jewish revolt of A.D. 73, when the last enclave of the zealots at Masada was surrounded, and before the Roman besiegers could storm the stronghold, the rebels under Eleazar ben Yair killed themselves. By the historian Josephus's count, all but seven of some 960 trapped men, women, and children perished. Hitler's order, in January 1943, for the encircled garrison at Stalingrad to shun escape or surrender and fight to the last man was equivalent to suicide for thousands.

Yet, the September 11 terrorists were somewhat different — more like the Japanese death brigades of World War II, who in their organization and training killed on a scale never seen before or since in civilized warfare. Thousands of Japanese flew as suicide pilots, commandeered ramming-boats, manned one-way rocket planes, or (as infantrymen) organized death charges. Many foot soldiers fought with dynamite satchels or grenades strapped to their bodies.

In all these cases, the sole intention was to kill as many of the enemy as possible before meeting certain death. A new fanaticism — a lethal mix of Shintoism, Buddhism, and Bushido — promised a better life in the hereafter, where warrior souls would enjoy a divine existence in return for their sacrifice on earth. The destruction of Japanese parliamentary government in the 1930s, and the rise of a dictatorship, had already


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1 posted on 01/18/2002 5:48:47 AM PST by veronica
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To: dennisw, vrwc54, onyx, sabertooth, johnhuang2, long cut, cachelot, optimist, alouette
FYI.
2 posted on 01/18/2002 5:56:38 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
VDH bump.
3 posted on 01/18/2002 5:57:31 AM PST by an amused spectator
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Bump.
4 posted on 01/18/2002 5:58:31 AM PST by veronica
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Reuters Photo
An undated hand out picture distributed January 18, 2002 from Fatah shows Palestinian Fatah gunman Abdussalam Hassonah in the West Bank city of Nablus. The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an armed group linked to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah faction, said it carried out an attack in Hadera on Thursday which left six dead, to avenge the killing on Monday of one of its leaders. The attacker was identified as Hassonah from a village near Nablus. REUTERS/Abed Omar Qusini QUALITY FROM SOURCE

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Former Palestinian Authority policeman Abed Hassouna, a member of the Al Aqsa Brigades is seen in an undated studio photograph released by the AL Aqsa Martyrs Brigade in the West Bank town of Nablus, Friday Jan. 18, 2002. Hassouna entered a banquet hall in Hadera Thursday night and opened fire with an assault rifle, killing six people and injuring 30. (AP Photo/HO/ AL Aqsa Martyrs Brigade)

 


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An unidentified mourner weeps during the funeral of Avi Yazdi in the northern Israeli town of Or Akiva, Friday, Jan. 18, 2002. Yazdi, 24, a security guard at a banquet hall, was killed Thursday night when a Palestinian gunman opened fire on a group of revelers during a bat-mitzvah, a Jewish coming-of-age celebration, in the northern Israeli town of Hadera, killing six and injuring 30. (AP Photo/Eitan Hess-Ashkenazi)

 

 

 

5 posted on 01/18/2002 6:03:00 AM PST by dennisw
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To: veronica
Excellent post! Excellent.

Try to ignore the bold typed LIES that mar this thread.

7 posted on 01/18/2002 6:13:57 AM PST by onyx
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To: tex-oma
How sickening to have to read such spam the day after Jews are slaughtered. But typical....

Jerusalem cleric praises child 'sacrifices' 'The younger the martyr, the greater and the more I respect him'

8 posted on 01/18/2002 6:14:25 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
There is a certain way to halt their stupidity but it is too cruel for the modern world to use as yet. The terrorist mindset is weird and can be used against them by annihilation of their home front, wives, children, mothers, fathers. They have no problem killing yours, but when their's are wiped out they halt their nonsense.

It will take alot more attacks like 9-11 but eventually the world may get to the point they will view collateral damage as a neccessary tool of war, in this particular war anyway.

9 posted on 01/18/2002 6:15:38 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: tex-oma
The US has joined the Israeli media chorus in demanding that Arafat do more to stop the suicide bombings.....

And sliming AMERICA too. Even more typical...

An American died at the Bat Mitzvah yesterday BTW.

10 posted on 01/18/2002 6:16:41 AM PST by veronica
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To: tex-oma
Are Palestinians Human?

NO. Humans have souls.

11 posted on 01/18/2002 6:16:57 AM PST by onyx
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From - President Bush Speaks to United Nations Remarks by the President To United Nations General Assembly

"...THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. Mr. Secretary General, Mr. President, distinguished delegates, and ladies and gentlemen. We meet in a hall devoted to peace, in a city scarred by violence, in a nation awakened to danger, in a world uniting for a long struggle. Every civilized nation here today is resolved to keep the most basic commitment of civilization: We will defend ourselves and our future against terror and lawless violence.

A few miles from here, many thousands still lie in a tomb of rubble. Tomorrow, the Secretary General, the President of the General Assembly, and I will visit that site, where the names of every nation and region that lost citizens will be read aloud. If we were to read the names of every person who died, it would take more than three hours.

The terrorists call their cause holy, yet, they fund it with drug dealing; they encourage murder and suicide in the name of a great faith that forbids both. They dare to ask God's blessing as they set out to kill innocent men, women and children. But the God of Isaac and Ishmael would never answer such a prayer. And a murderer is not a martyr; he is just a murderer.

Yet, there is no such thing as a good terrorist. No national aspiration, no remembered wrong can ever justify the deliberate murder of the innocent. Any government that rejects this principle, trying to pick and choose its terrorist friends, will know the consequences.'

12 posted on 01/18/2002 6:30:34 AM PST by veronica
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To: tex-oma
What nonsense. If the Pallies had all of the West Bank/Gaza tomorrow they still would be the same crazies who want to destroy Israel. Any mental problems they have comes from Islam and their own demon like behavior. Demons who kill Jewish woman and children. Demons who do suicide bombing.

These cowards don't have the stones to outright attack the IDF although they do snipe at the IDF and FAIL.

13 posted on 01/18/2002 6:47:39 AM PST by dennisw
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To: tex-oma
Yawn....

More spam...

15 posted on 01/18/2002 6:52:06 AM PST by veronica
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To: tex-oma
I'll keep posting CONSERVATIVES and President Bush. You keep posting rah-rah from the Marxist Islam Firsters.

LOL.

16 posted on 01/18/2002 6:53:26 AM PST by veronica
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"Nobody ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
-- General George S. Patton

17 posted on 01/18/2002 6:55:16 AM PST by Snake65
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64% of Palestinians support suicide bombers - Poll shows most oppose halt in fighting with Israel
18 posted on 01/18/2002 6:59:47 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
"No national aspiration, no remembered wrong can ever justify the deliberate murder of the innocent."

True. But if I support evil policies and vote for people to implement these policies, am I an innocent?

Perhaps I ought to claim sovereign immunity. :)

A mafia don is not innocent simply because he did not personally pull the trigger on his enforcer's gun. He's guilty of at least conspiracy to murder.

I will grant however that this guilt is almost completely an American oddity. American conspiracy law is quite strict.

19 posted on 01/18/2002 7:09:16 AM PST by Tauzero
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To: tex-oma
So, the Palestinian suicide bomber is only trying to quell their inner pain and turmoil when they blow up Jewish shopping centers and bat mitzvahs. Oh, if only someone could have reached out and given Ahmed a hug in time....

RUBBISH!

Their suicides are no different than the Heaven's Gate cult, except that they seek to take out their enemy in the process. A bunch of young minds are fed a lot of hate and garbage growing up, told that this is their destiny and something far better awaits them on the other side. These ignorant fools are then given a gun or a bomb and told to go please Allah.

Mohammed Atta's letter says far more about the suicide terrorist's mindset than trying to equate it with the clinically depressed. I sense your two authors came up with this hokey idea in order to soothe their own associated guilt for these horific deeds.

20 posted on 01/18/2002 7:13:09 AM PST by Tall_Texan
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