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Catholics, Jews Unite To Attack Scholar's Latest, Goldhagen Stirring Ire With Article on Pius XII
FORWARD ^ | JANUARY 18, 2002 | MARC PERELMAN

Posted on 01/17/2002 10:36:20 PM PST by FreeSpeechConservative

Catholics, Jews Unite To Attack Scholar's Latest


Goldhagen Stirring Ire With Article on Pius XII


By MARC PERELMAN


FORWARD STAFF

Participants in a troubled Jewish-Catholic dialogue found a rare point of agreement this week in their criticism of an article by historian Daniel Goldhagen that attacks the behavior of Pope Pius XII during World War II and raises the question of the church's responsibility for the Holocaust.

In a lengthy article, "What Would Jesus Have Done? Pope Pius XII, the Catholic Church and the Holocaust," published this week in The New Republic magazine, Mr. Goldhagen charges that Pope Pius XII was an anti-Semite and a collaborator with Nazi Germany. Moreover, he claims, there is an "obvious integral relationship" between the church's historical anti-Judaism and the genesis of the Holocaust. He also calls for examining the culpability of the church for the Holocaust.

"Anti-Semitism led to the Holocaust," wrote Mr. Goldhagen, a former Harvard professor and author of a controversial 1996 book, "Hitler's Willing Executioners." "Anti-Semitism has been integral to the Catholic Church. Surely the question of what the relationship is between the church's anti-Semitism and the Holocaust should be at the center of any general treatment of either of these subjects."

Eugene Fisher, associate director of the Secretariat for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops in Washington, lashed out at Mr. Goldhagen.

"This is a remarkably uninformed piece," said Mr. Fisher, who has been involved for many years in Jewish-Catholic dialogue. "He lives in fantasy land and he is making this up. It's a sad case and he ought to see a psychiatrist."

Rabbi David Rosen, international director of inter-religious affairs at the American Jewish Committee, said that Mr. Goldhagen "has an unconcealed antagonism against the Catholic Church, and it shows."

Rabbi Rosen added that while the article was "fine on the past, it was woefully uninformed on the present efforts by the church to mend its ways." Several other scholars and members of the Jewish-Catholic dialogue interviewed for this article made the same point and were especially incensed that steps taken by Pope John Paul II were not acknowledged by Mr. Goldhagen. (See ForwardForum, Page 9.) While some agreed with Mr. Goldhagen's criticism of Pius XII, they criticized his sweeping indictment of the church. Mr. Goldhagen declined to comment on the reactions. He told the Forward that the article was the foundation for his upcoming book, "A Moral Reckoning, the Catholic Church During the Holocaust and Today," to be published in the fall.

His article comes at a time of renewed tensions between Jews and Catholics over the proposed beatification of Pius XII. For years, Jewish groups have protested the Vatican's intention to beatify a pope who, they claim, maintained a guilty silence during the Holocaust. Last summer, the work of a joint historical commission formed to study the wartime archives of the Vatican stalled over the refusal of Vatican officials to give historians full access to the archives, prompting acrimonious exchanges between Jewish and Catholic officials.

However, Seymour Reich, chairman of the International Jewish Committee on Interreligious Consultations, the official Jewish liaison with the Vatican, praised the Goldhagen article as "very powerful" and believed it would have a "great impact."

"If the Catholic Church wants to defend itself against those charges, there is only one solution - open the wartime archives," said Mr. Reich, who has spent considerable time negotiating with the Vatican to open its archives and who expressed frustration after those efforts foundered last summer.

Mr. Goldhagen's piece is presented as a review essay of several books in the issue. But his personal thoughts are clearly on display and The New Republic presents his article as "an exhaustive investigation."

Mr. Goldhagen starts the article by denouncing the "exculpatory strategies" used by apologists of Pius XII and compares them to the ones used by those trying to exculpate ordinary Germans of their responsibility for, and participation in, the Holocaust. This is a direct reference to the thesis he defended in "Hitler's Willing Executioners," which prompted vivid criticism from some of his fellow historians for his broad denunciation of the German people.

In addition to a relatively consensual criticism of Pius XII's inaction to help Jews, Mr. Goldhagen also claims that the pope was an anti-Semite who collaborated with Nazi Germany - like Marshall Philippe Petain in France or Vidkun Quisling in Norway - most noticeably by signing a concordat agreement with Adolph Hitler in 1933.

But more crucially, Mr. Goldhagen argues that the focus over Pius XII's beatification deflects criticism over the church's past and the attitude of the Vatican and the national churches during the war. This leads him to the most devastating charges of the article, the link between the Church and the Holocaust.

Mr. Goldhagen writes that the "iron curtain" erected by the church between its theological anti- Judaism and Germany's anti-Semitism is a "fiction" that must be lifted.

"This inevitably leads to a consideration of the degree of the church's culpability not just for its reactions to the eliminationist onslaught, but also for the Holocaust itself," he wrote.

He notes that the Catholic Church could find "common cause" with most of the declarations of anti-Semites in the 1930s and claims it makes "little difference" if "their litanies of hatred were not 100 percent congruent, but only a figurative 90 percent."

Mr. Goldhagen goes on to describe as insufficient efforts made by the church since the war, from the "tepid and deeply flawed" Vatican II Council in 1965, which officially recognized that the Jews did not kill Jesus, to the "half-heartedness and historical fabrications" of the 1998 "We Remember" declaration by the church on the Holocaust, which acknowledged the shortcomings of the church during the war.

"This is really the area where he shows lack of knowledge," said Rabbi Rosen of AJCommittee. "There are many other documents and efforts made that he seems not to know about and this is troubling."


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To: Zviadist, vrwc54
Mr. Finkelstein revealed above.

His agenda is not love.

Great post vr.

101 posted on 01/18/2002 5:39:51 PM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
Goldhagen is a liar. If you are at all interested in the truth read Stella by Peter Wyden. In 1943, even the sophisticated Jews in Berlin (there were 10,000 left there at the time) did NOT know about the death camps. You do the Jews no good by perpetrating lies.

Stella is the story of a beautiful Jewish woman who becomes a Jew-catcher for the SS; Wyden was a classmate of hers and a Berlin Jew who was lucky enough to escape. Shame on you and all the people who perpetrate lies.

102 posted on 01/18/2002 5:40:42 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: veronica
I take it you admit that you will take pleasure in any suffering Norman Finkelstein endures, because you regard him as the equivalent of a Nazi, because he dissents from your Holocaust ideology. I rest my case.
103 posted on 01/18/2002 5:45:12 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
I take it you admit that you will take pleasure in any suffering Norman Finkelstein endures, because you regard him as the equivalent of a Nazi.

Correct.

And if that NY Times review does not turn you off to Finkelstein, if you think he just 'veers from my ideology' you have a problem.

104 posted on 01/18/2002 5:48:04 PM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
No, you're the one who's got a problem, since you admit you will take pleasure in any suffering Finkelstein endures.
105 posted on 01/18/2002 5:51:02 PM PST by aristeides
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To: veronica
Not only do you do the Jews no good, but I would offer that you do evil. Why? Because every time you post you create Jew-haters with your smugness and distortions. The truth should be enough for you because the story is quite compelling on the side of the Jews even without your spin. Shame on you.
106 posted on 01/18/2002 5:56:39 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: veronica
As I said in a previous posting, I was puzzled by Bartov's claim in the review that Finkelstein was guilty of any historical errors. I have read Finkelstein's book, I am reasonably familiar with the history, and I did not notice any historical errors in the Finkelstein book. Perhaps you would be kind enough to point out one or more historical errors in the book.
107 posted on 01/18/2002 5:57:00 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
She must've gone sleepy-time. Oh well.
108 posted on 01/18/2002 6:12:36 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: aristeides
Go back and read the third paragraph of the NYT's book review a little more carefully.
109 posted on 01/18/2002 6:14:30 PM PST by vrwc54
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To: vrwc54
I'm sorry. I've reread the third paragraph you refer to, but I really don't see how that shows how Finkelstein has been guilty of any inaccuracy.
110 posted on 01/18/2002 6:21:02 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides

To say that he denies the Holocaust seems to me a grotesque distortion of his position.

You have disputed the word of the great demagogue Veronica. You are clearly an antisemite and should be put away. Prepare for re-education camp, Hitler-lover!

111 posted on 01/18/2002 6:23:37 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: Pharmboy

Not only do you do the Jews no good, but I would offer that you do evil.

Let's finally face it: Veronica is FreeRepublic's resident anti-Semite. Her evil propadanda is very clever, but her agenda is quite clear. She hates Jews and wants all of us to do the same. Terrible. And no one has banned her yet. Terrible. And sad. So much hate.

112 posted on 01/18/2002 6:27:46 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: Zviadist
Is that some kind of Freudian projection on your part?
113 posted on 01/18/2002 6:56:28 PM PST by vrwc54
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To: Zviadist
So sorry that I had to expose Finkelstein for all to see.

Two articles were posted. One from the NY Times one from a respected Conservative writer.

I know it's a shock to learn the truth. So I'll just excuse your resorting to name-calling. So much for your agenda of love.

114 posted on 01/18/2002 6:57:28 PM PST by veronica
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To: veronica

So much for your agenda of love.

Sometimes love has to be tough, Veronica baby. Stop the hate. Please. Just stop the hate.

115 posted on 01/18/2002 7:08:50 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: Zviadist
Yawn.
116 posted on 01/18/2002 7:11:21 PM PST by veronica
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To: vrwc54

Is that some kind of Freudian projection on your part?

Sorry, Freud was a demagogue and a huckster. Nothing he said was legitimate. You may feel him legitimate, but the rest of the world is coming to view him very differently. To use Veronica's vulgar terminology, he was a "self-hater."

117 posted on 01/18/2002 7:11:29 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: vrwc54
Finkelstein would be so pleased to know he has such an avid defender here. Taking it all very personally for some reason. You'd think Steven Plaut would get more respect at a Conservative site than a Holocaust denier.
118 posted on 01/18/2002 7:14:19 PM PST by veronica
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To: Faith_j
And most Italian Jews were spared the Holocaust.
119 posted on 01/18/2002 7:23:15 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci; Romulus; Zviadist; Senator Pardek
Fascinating, isn't it, that the most fanatical haters of Popery have, as their one true law of gravity, the the complaint that the Bishop of Rome didn't haul the chestnuts of the World out of the fires that the world so gleefully set.....

Indeed.

LaBelleDameSansMerci is certainly welcome to come sit and trim her cuticles in New Orleans any time she wishes.

(How about St. Patrick's Day weekend?)

120 posted on 01/18/2002 7:25:08 PM PST by Askel5
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