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To: Exnihilo
Mutation & natural selection themselves have not been firmly or even loosely established as an information creating mechanism. So either both ID and Darwinian evolution aren't "scientific" or they are, at least according to your criterion.

I didn't say that that was my criterion for evolution to be accepted. I'm merely explaining to you why ID theory hasn't done its job (yet), IMHO. That is what ID theoreticians feel they need to do to get their theory accepted.

68 posted on 01/07/2002 4:32:04 PM PST by ThinkPlease
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To: ThinkPlease
What do Evo-Doers Mean when they say Evolution

"Sometimes the word indicates simply descent with modification, leaving open the question of how the staggering changes in life forms could possibly have occurred. Other times Darwin’s particular mechanism of natural selection is added to the meaning. It is critical for people interested in the subject to understand, when they hear it said that evolution is supported by overwhelming evidence, that virtually all of the evidence concerns just common descent. The experimental evidence that natural selection could build a vertebrate from an invertebrate, a mammal from a reptile, or a human from an ape is a bit less than the experimental evidence for superstring theory—that is, none at all.

Icons of evolution such as Haeckel’s embryos, peppered moths, and classic origin–of–life experiments have been shown to be more mythic than scientific, even though they still live as textbook orthodoxy. One prominent evolutionary biologist recently wrote, “In science’s pecking order, evolutionary biology lurks somewhere near the bottom, far closer to phrenology than to physics.”

The claim I make is this: design is always inferred, it is never a direct intuition. We don’t get into the mind of designers and thereby attribute design. Rather we look at effects in the physical world that seem to have been designed and from those features infer to a designing intelligence."

Michael Behe

76 posted on 01/07/2002 4:44:58 PM PST by keithtoo
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