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To: Exnihilo
"So, while the 'how' as in how does the intelligence do the designing, may be out of the grasp of empirical examination, the 'how' as in how do we detect design, or attempt to detect design, is a very well known and widely studied theory. The controversy as I said is its application to biological systems." -- Exnihilo

Designs are clearly present in nature. A Designer is not. The apparent design results from natural selection. This is a process whereby trillions of experimental combinations of genetic material are constantly being tested. What works survives and reproduces. The failures die off. Dembski is not a biologist and does not understand that the instruction sets (i.e., the genomes) for the "designs" he purports to model are hodge-podges. All the accumulated change of every species' evolutionary history is written into the genome. The genomes are not fixed -- mutations occur at known rates -- and every "design" has precedents or is shared among species. The simplest refutation of Dembski's ID theory comes from the manner in which unrelated bacteria share genetic material through plasmid transfer or by viral transduction. In other words, known biological processes preclude the possibility that any individual life form on this planet was ever purposely designed.

197 posted on 01/09/2002 6:37:58 PM PST by Vercingetorix
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To: Vercingetorix
The apparent design results from natural selection.

How do you know this?
198 posted on 01/09/2002 6:39:14 PM PST by Exnihilo
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To: Vercingetorix
The simplest refutation of Dembski's ID theory comes from the manner in which unrelated bacteria share genetic material through plasmid transfer or by viral transduction.

Can you be more specific and cite specifically from Dembski's texts?
200 posted on 01/09/2002 6:41:27 PM PST by Exnihilo
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To: Vercingetorix
In other words, known biological processes preclude the possibility that any individual life form on this planet was ever purposely designed.

Why?
201 posted on 01/09/2002 6:42:42 PM PST by Exnihilo
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