STRANGE SYMBIOSIS – ISRAEL & ANTI-SEMITISM

Antiwar.com ^ | December 28, 2001 | Justin Raimondo

[Justin Raimondo]

I demand nothing of Israel but the following: stop making war on OUR dime, and stop spying on the US. Oh, and come clean about what you knew in advance about 9/11 -- so the American people can know just whom and what they are dealing with.... Otherwise, I could care less where Israel's borders are or aren't.

[luvzhottea]

Very disturbing the "disappearing" news stories.
Not the first time that is for sure. The Washington Times' May 5, 2000 Insight magazine article about Israeli eavesdropping on on the White House and other sensitive telephone systems met a similar fate.

[Justin Raimondo]

You are just plain wrong. In the first report, Cameron says that while there is no evidence of Israeli involvement in the actual bombing,

"But investigators suspect that they Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are 'tie-ins.' But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, 'evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information.'"

That is pretty damned incriminating. And clearly Cameron's sources are from law enforcement officers close to the 9/11 investigation. So spin that one, buddy....

[Justin Raimondo]

Your riff about "generalizations" doesn't make it. No one is forcing "settlers" to invade Arab territory and plant the Israeli flag in Palestinian olive groves. This is voluntary behavior, and has nothing to do with blacks, or any of the other PC minority groups you cite.

[Justin Raimondo]

I'm pretty sure the Insight piece was actually reposted, because I saw it and wrote to the webmaster complaining that it didn't have paragraph breaks. He wrote me back and said thanks for pointing that out, so.... check it out.

[Justin Raimondo]

Your insinuation that Israel was spying on us also isn't corroborated by FOX...they were spying on foreign nationals in the U.S. (Arabic nationals)."

You obviously haven't read the Cameron transcripts posted here on FR (do a search for "Cameron"): Parts II-IV document Israeli penetration of our phone system, and also point out that the Mossad has access to all the US wiretaps being conducted by US law enforcement. Some pretty heavy stuff.... Wake up, buddy: and do some research before you start posting....

[luvzhottea]

I was at Insight website and was unable to find it, doesn't mean they haven't reposted it but would you be so kind as to put a link here for that story. It WAS gone for a period of time and the url I have no longer works.

[Justin Raimondo]

http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=160595

[luvzhottea]

Thanks, seems to be an abbreviated version of what was up prior, missing also is Waller's postscript which I give here:


‘So What, It’s Only Israel!’

There is a tendency in and out of government to minimize the impact of Israeli espionage against the United States because Israel is a friendly country. That overlooks the gravity of the espionage threat, says David Major, former director of counterintelligence programs at the National Security Council. “This ‘don’t worry about allied spying, it’s okay’ attitude is harmful,” he warns. “The U.S. should expect that the rest of the world is bent on rooting out its national-security secrets and the secrets that could subject its leaders to blackmail.” Minimizing or excusing “friendly spying,” he argues, only discourages vigilance and encourages more attacks on U.S. national security. “I’m not outraged by nations that find it in their interests to collect intelligence but by our unwillingness to seriously pursue counterintelligence.”
Major, now dean of the private Center for Counterintelligence and Security Studies, asks: “What price should Israel pay for this? My predictions are that there will be no impact whatsoever. Do we put our heads in the sand or do we take it as a wake-up call?”
Others observe that Israel has passed stolen U.S. secrets to America’s adversaries. The government of Yitzhak Shamir reportedly provided the Soviet Union with valuable U.S. documents stolen by Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard. “It’s the security equivalent of herpes,” says a former U.S. antiterrorism official now at a pro-Israel think tank who requested anonymity. “Who gets it [beyond Israel] nobody knows.... Once we let it happen, the word gets out that ‘you can get away with this.’”

— JMW

[College Repub]

Your wit never ceases to amaze me. L'Chiam to Yehuda's wit...

[Justin Raimondo]

The only insinuation here regards Barbara Amiel, not Jews in general: and even in the case of Amiel, the reference was sarcastic, in response to her gloating statement that Arafat "can't go to the bathroom" without Israeli permission. I find it funny that no one in the Amen Corner cares to answer any of the substantial points made in my column.

[Justin Raimondo]

Amen, brother!

[Justin Raimondo]

We all know what you are, bud -- a nutjob who doesn't even know what he's talking about, and a relative newcomer to FR. Nor does it seems as though English is your native language: I would guess... Mordor. I repeat: Isn't it funny how none of the Amen Corner disputes anything I said in the above posted article? Character assassination, name-calling, smears, yes -- but argument? Not on your life. Keep it up, Ameners -- when the Cameron story is verified, you're going to have some 'splaining to do....

[dennisw]

Aside that jive you just just tried to run past me....

Are you really Jewish as Irv from JDL says? This is more interesting than your silly opining about the Jews of Israel.

[dennisw]

I demand nothing of Israel but the following: stop making war on OUR dime, and stop spying on the US.

Such nonsense. American Jews pay plenty of taxes. The aid we give to Israel is a GREAT use of these taxes. Your call for a halt in US aid to Israel is just you echoing what is found on countless Arab websites. Your views on Israel are about the same as Syria's or Iraq's or that of a thousand Muslim websites.

[wooly_mammoth]

Check out www.israelshamir.net .