Restorationists vs Conservatives and Libertarians

Self | 12/23/01 | David Wright

[dcwusmc]

I am a RESTORATIONIST and I thank FReeper CHUCKSTER for the use of the term. I came to this position as a libertarian but others have come to it via conservatism and liberalism. At its essence the Restorationist philosophy holds that the United States live as part of a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC and that we have strayed FAR from our Constitutional roots. We hold that this situation is untenable to our survival as a nation and that we must restore our Constitution as the SUPREME law of the land. We must go back to our roots or we will DIE as a free nation.

This is NOT an issue of the WOD, though I still oppose it on Constitutional grounds. It is NOT an issue on RKBA though I support it unconditionally on Constitutional grounds. It is an issue of National SURVIVAL.

For those of you who are in favor of the WOD, let's agree that we need to get our Constitution restored FIRST, then we can see if the WOD can ever be Constitutional. First things FIRST, in other words. We must stop politicians and bureaucraps of ALL persuasions from using the Constitution as toilet paper. Hence RESTORATIONIST.

Your comments and suggestions are invited.

[nopardons]

Quite true.

Some people struggle to understand clearly stated quesyions, and try to twist what others have said.

Other people have difficulty writting cogently, which engenders needful questiosns, in order to decipher the TRUE meaning , of a blizzard of written words.

Since both are the flip side of the same coin, each is doomed to failure.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, my dear !

[IronJack]

I think you're essentially relabeling conservatism. Sure, there may be a Libertarian flavor to your particular brand, but nothing you've stated is inconsistent with the definition of conservatism, which is to CONSERVE (and preserve) our national roots. I believe many Libertarians have a credo that supersedes the Constitution, in many cases exceeding it. And where the two philosophies collide, it is the Constitution that suffers. This is only true in the extreme cases, however, and that same argument could be made about any extreme.

In sum, I think that "restoration" -- large or small "r" -- is simply a facet of conservatism, in fact, one of its defining characteristics.

[Fiddlstix]

Thanks for the Ping all

I'll have to think on this some more
It'd be a massive undertaking
It would have to be dismantled, bit by bit
where to start is the question.....
Get rid of every federal agency created since the time of FDR might be a good start.

[Mudboy Slim]

"I am a staunch Republican. But I am very concerned how far to the left way too many in MY party have gone. Letting Clinton get away with Treason and trying to get along with those stomping on the Constitution is a big concern. My prayer is that the Republican party see's a concern for our Constitution and makes sure they do not trample on it, change it in any way. If Americans stay silent like they are about Clinton and you and I have seen it on here at FR...Republicans wanting to move on in regards to the treason Clinton did, then they will also say move on when it means taking our rights away."

Yes ma'am, you have indeed recognized and eloquently described the Principle involved in demanding that Justice be pursued and achieved vis a vis Bill Clinton and the Treasonous Scumbag DemonRATS.

"...do NOT put in the TO part with Inspector Harry Callahan. Anyone that thinks we did not land on the moon has no credibility."

OK, my FRiend, and please, I would prefer it if you never again addressed sinkspur, who I sincerely believe is a gutless PUNK and an embarrassment to the GOP and George Dubyuh...IMHO, of course.

FReegards...MUD

[Mudboy Slim]

"The best way to "heal" the GOP is from the inside out.. and I think FReepers are the cure not the bandage..."

Yep...and those who refuse to toe the GOP Party line are not our adversaries, IMHO.

FReegards...MUD

[sneakypete]

The "power parties" seem to take turns seeing how much of it they can shred this week,

That's because there is only one party,and it has two branches.

with the cheerleaders for each hollering down violations committed by the OTHER side but deflecting criticism, sometimes with real NASTY language, when THEIR guy does the same.

Think "WWF fan" and you won't be far off the mark.

[sneakypete]

I recently sent an e-mail to President Bush wherein I suggested that he urge existing veterans groups (American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, etc.) to employ their fine nationwide network of local posts to advantage of the entire country, mainly by holding weekly sessions open to all adults (including their own members) where discussion and study of the facets of the U.S. Constitution can be covered.

Why would Bubba Bush try to kick over a dung heap he is at the top of? He benifits from the system in place now,and celebrates in it. It wasn't Clinton who created the Office of Reich Security or the so-called Patriots Act. It was his alter-ego and protector,Bubba Bush.

[Roscoe]

I'm gonna have to put a disclaimer on the page. That isn't me.

[freefly]

"...we need to get our Constitution restored FIRST..."

Without that, we will continue down the path we are on now.

IMHO, Neil Smith's idea of Bill of Rights Enforcement would go a long way toward doing this.
Any politician that is NOT in favor of it, shows himself to be in violation of his oath of office
and puts himself in the position of NOT supporting the Bill of Rights for US citizens.
Strict enforcement of the Bill of Rights would be a big first step in getting our government
back into it's Constitutional shackles -where it's supposed to be.

[SusanUSA]

I came to it through conservatism, myself.
Have you ever read or heard of these?

A start?

On-line read

Thanks for the ping, Bill.

[gorush]

I couldn't agree more, however I am pessamistic about our nation peacefully changing course.

The sheeple that make up this country are for the most part ignorant of the meaning and wisdom contained in the Constitution, and are too socialistic to even consider going back to the original intent.

[summer]

Interesting thread. Thanks for the flag. :)

[MissAmericanPie]

Sounds good to me, Restorationist even sounds PC, hehe.

[Barnacle]

How do you like this Second Amendment version of Niemoller’s poem?

Then they came for the guns,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was not a shooter.

Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no way
to defend myself.

It's an original, though I imagine someone has probably already done it. (That's OK as long as no turkey replys, “That's the most over-used and abused innuendo in existence in our political lexicon.” Remember that one?)

[EternalVigilance]

"In sum, I think that "restoration" -- large or small "r" -- is simply a facet of conservatism, in fact, one of its defining characteristics."

Very well put, and exactly on the mark.

I was going to respond similiarly, but thought I better read the thread first...glad I did, because you expressed my thoughts perfectly.

I often make reference in my FR posts to those of us who endeavor to 'restore and defend the Constitution'...because a large amount of erosion has occurred (hence the need for 'restoration')...but there is still much intact which needs defending.

As an aside, but still very much in keeping with the intent of this thread...the best thing we could do to put the governmental monstrosity back into its constitutionally mandated box would be to repeal the 16th Amendment...and while we're at it, let's do the 17th as well.

Regards...EV

[dasboot]

The ramifications of which you speak are very clear to me; however, I do not think that a court will order a remedy that examines all laws passed in the federal legislature for the past 119 years to determine whether this or that Act is law, then somehow rejigger things: the project is untenable.

What the court will do is order the charter amended. So far, so good. Perhaps it will repremand those officials whom Expo has alerted because they have not acted in accord with their duty. OK. In the absence of an actual, articulable wrong, however, that is as far as the matter will go. All laws voted on by the representatives of that presumptive state will stand as law because all interested parties acted under the presumption that the paperwork was in order, and that a state did exist, as intended.

My wife and I are still married even if the clerk forgot to sign the documentation. The suit, in that it will amend the charter, is a good thing; beyond that the whole matter gets silly, unless there was some damage done by a knowing bad guy using the flaw to unlawful advantage.

The sky is not falling.