Poll: IF, and this is a BIG if...

Dick Cheney due to health reasons decides to withdrawl his name from the ticket in 2004 after a very successful term as Vice President. He figures he can still stay close to the President and advise him in any way possible, but not have to deal with the every day hustle of being the Vice-President of the country. So who would President Bush pick to be his new VP? I think Condi Rice would be a wonderful choice but I dont know if this country (especially the Republican Party) is ready for a VP who is black, a woman, and from the South (Alabama). I also love Powell but would he and Pres Bush be able to work hand in hand as P-VP? Donald Rumsfeld is a terrific Sec of Defense and I think he would make a great President one day...maybe him being VP could lead us to 8 great years of a Rumsfeld Presidency after 8 great years of Bush. Other candidates that come to mind would be Tom Ridge, Liddy Dole, Ashcroft, and dare i say it...JOHN MCCAIN ( i know, i know, but i think the Bush-MCcain ticket would be a shoe in). My pick would have to be Rice, she is worth her weight in Gold. She is a genius, works well with Bush, and would really be great for the country. And what would the naysayers say after Bush nominates a black woman to be his right hand WOMman?? I think they would just have to throw up the white flag! GO DUBYA!

Your comment #183 on the "Tortured, Bloody, Sickening..." thread was removed by the moderator, but it was made to JMJ333 who posted this comment about it:

To: Judith Anne

Thanks. Funny how pcl accused of getting a sexual charge out of putting up the reality of abortion. As Greg Cunningham asked, "Why do these pictures of the truth make these people react so ugly?" If abortion is so grand, pcl should've just defended it--but it isn't grand so he had to attack me personally and accuse me of getting sexually excited. That's probably the lamest personal attack I've ever had thrown at me at FR. I don't even think he realizes how stupid and childish it sounded.

200 posted on 11/30/01 6:49 AM Pacific by JMJ333

Other posters on the same thread commented on YOUR remarks, pcl, and they can be found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/579928/posts?page=183#183

In addition, you stated that the photographs of the dead children were pornography. In addition, you levelled the same charges against MHGinTN in another thread.

I don't expect other posters to take the time and trouble to look this stuff up, I post it merely to tell you that your posts have not been forgotten, your flames have not gone unnoticed, and your ridiculous assertion (which you wisely refuse to defend) that a child has no soul until it draws it's first breath is part and parcel of your baby-killing agenda, no matter what cloak you wear to try disguise your true opinion.

Yeah for God's sake let him not be pro-choice, I mean he or Rice or anyone else in the Republican Party who the overwhelming majority of the Republican Party/Americans as a whole might want to run for an elected office because they are intelligent,articulate, etc. etc will be immediately and forever condemned for their opinion on a single issue.

Such narrow minded thinking gets us the likes of Bill Clinton/Al Gore for eight years. And then those who failed to vote for the Republican because he never stated he was going to get RoevsWade overturned sit back, wrap themselves in their cloaks of righteousness and complain about what the liberals are doing to the country on a plethora of issues till the next election .... when they repeat their performance again.

I am as strongly against abortion and my tax money being spent for abortions as the next conservative, what I figured out a long time ago though is that if a pregnant woman (in her heart and in her mind) wants to have an abortion, she is going to do it, whether its legal or illegal, whether the government pays for it or not. She will do it no matter what. Only God can change whats in a person's heart .... not you or I or any amount of laws or preaching.

So as Christians, what should we do? Continue along the path anti-arbortionist have for years, or perhaps adopt a new strategy and work with those who want to have an abortion on a case by case basis. Talk with them, reason with them, calm their fears so that God can touch their souls and change their hearts.

Your comment #183 on the "Tortured, Bloody, Sickening..." thread was removed by the moderator,

How convenient. You had the comment removed by the moderator, now you can presume it says anything. I do give you some credit for at least trying to back one of your many accusations - nost of which are lies. Since you are so interested in my point of view on those obscene images, I will re-state it here. You should bookmark this for future reference,

I believe that some of the people (male or female) who flash images of bloody, chopped up fetuses do it for the sexual thrill they get from the reaction of their victims. I am not saying they get the thrill from the images but from the reaction of the victim. I believe this to be true. I have seen it in their eyes. Not all the people who flash the images do it for the sexual thrill. I do believe that there a number of the FReeps who do it for the thrill. These are the same ones who delight in composing graphic and horrific textual descriptions of abortions.

There is only one party and that is republicrats. The repubs are the same as the dems. the only diff I see is that the dems would destroy our freedom and tax us to death at a faster pace, while the repubs do the same thing at a slower pace and put us to sleep, so to speak .until we wake up and say what happened?

Have you people forgotten that they just "snuck in" a $4,900 a year raise for themselves while giving people on social security an average of $37.00 increase?
Have you noticed the Pres just put 28,000+ more people on the public payroll re: airport security
Have you noticed that Pres Bush just issued an Exec Order prohibiting law enforcement personnel from co-operating with congress relative to investigating the clintons and their treachery?

Now you tell me the diff!! Does it make you feel "cuddly safe" in the arms of a repub because you don't see our freedom being eroded at a snail's pace as opposed to a rabbit's pace?

We get to chose who to vote for by whom the power brokers/powerful families give us to choose from. It does'nt matter what label they are running under.

FYI, I am not a commie, libertarian, socialist, tin foil hat wearer. Just a fed up American who is tired of the treachery and lies of politicians.

Now you tell me the diff!! Does it make you feel "cuddly safe" in the arms of a repub because you don't see our freedom being eroded at a snail's pace as opposed to a rabbit's pace?

We get to chose who to vote for by whom the power brokers/powerful families give us to choose from. It does'nt matter what label they are running under.

FYI, I am not a commie, libertarian, socialist, tin foil hat wearer. Just a fed up American who is tired of the treachery and lies of politicians.

pcl: No, I have never contacted the moderator. And don't worry, there are plenty of comments about YOUR removed comment for others to read, and I have bumped the thread so they may. ;-D

Sentry, I see your point, and it was civilly made. However, the death of 1.3 million children in this country every year by abortion is SO LARGE that it can never be a back-burner issue for me. I leave it to others to plan and carry out strategy. I cannot be still about it.

pcl: No, I have never contacted the moderator. And don't worry, there are plenty of comments about YOUR removed comment for others to read, and I have bumped the thread so they may. ;-D Thank you for repeating your vile accusation, which YOU KNOW IS NOT TRUE. The evil is in your own mind, and only your own mind.

Regarding post #317: you are so right.

Feel free to send a "ping" with future threads like this one; what you say about a pro-abortion stance being the cornerstone of all liberal degeneration is so true.

Never surrender!

If you have a chance, check out the CHRIST-CHILD thread posted under the Culture and Society section.

Yes...minimizing the abortion issue is very telling...it is the ONE THING that sticks in the mind of some, IF ONLY we would be quiet about the baby-killing, we could win political victories and thus end baby-killing...sorry, no can do. God won't ask me why somebody wasn't elected--but He may ask me why I didn't speak out for the unborn innocent victims of the world's most shameful holocaust.

In the 1860's, half the country was pro-slavery. It was made illegal; after it was made illegal, the majority of it's proponents disavowed it. The law preceeded that radical opinion shift.

Also, no one has a right to kill someone ele's baby just because their "heart" isn't in the right place.

Consider the fathers.

And any elected official who tried to get elected as a Republican while claiming to be pro-choice would have to prove his allegiance to the Left by signing off on any number of other liberal causes.

A non-pro-life Republican Party is something I will fight to keep from happening.

Fight, and win.

YOU KNOW IS NOT TRUE

I am not surprised you would say that. You have often contradicted me in the most asinine fashion.

How many time have you said that I was not a Grandfather? A pathological liar like you believes it is normal for people to lie. I say I am a Grandfather, you respond by saying I am not a Grandfather. Why? Because telling lies is such a fundamental part of your personality that you can not imagine anyone else not telling lies.

And any elected official who tried to get elected as a Republican while claiming to be pro-choice would have to prove his allegiance to the Left by signing off on any number of other liberal causes.

The idea is not for the candidate to attract the votes of the liberal. The idea is to keep the Republican Pro-Choicers from voting outside of the party. Big difference.

Refer to post #225. 41% of the voting Republicans who are single-issue abortion voters voted for Gore! Those are the 41% we need to be voting GOP in 2002.

Refer to post #239. Republican's are so leery of the abortion issues that only 29% would choose to require a candidate make a declaration against partial birth abortions. Most pro-choicers including myself feel that Partial Birth abortions are wrong. The mainstream Republican are very worried about abortion plank hurting the party.

Why can't the "passionate pro-lifers" understand this?

Perhaps because they have faithfully supported the Republican party since the 80's and must be the only constituency of size on record that has filled out most of the worker bee slots yet received BUPKIS for their efforts. The people you advocate supporting are more interested in getting along with the 'rats than beating them. They see the pro-lifers as useful idiots. Well the idiots are having trouble finding reasons to go to the polls.

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