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To: Lent
Let's see what the prophet of peace was up to in the Current Era:

Current Era: ??? Huh???

So, uh, you are saying what . . . Abraham should have been more of a MAN in his own house and when Sarah's insecurity over Ishmael's playing with Isaac caused her "concern" Abraham should not have banished Hagar & son?

Move up 1500 years, lint. What justifies your boy's extermination of the people of Dayr Yasin . . . all 254 men, women and children?

religion of peace? Are there any "clean" religions?

( (Hebrew: National Military Organization), )

byname Etzel, Jewish right-wing underground movement in Palestine, founded in 1931. At first supported by many non-Socialist Zionist parties, in opposition to the Haganah, it became in 1936 an instrument of the Revisionist Party, an extreme nationalist group that had seceded from the World Zionist Organization and whose policies called for the use of force, if necessary, to establish a Jewish state on both sides of the Jordan.

Irgun committed acts of terrorism and assassination against the British, whom it regarded as illegal occupiers, and it was also violently anti-Arab. Irgun also participated in the organization of illegal immigration into Palestine after the publication of the British White Paper on Palestine (1939), which severely limited immigration. Irgun's violent activities led to execution of many of its members by the British; in retaliation, Irgun executed British army hostages.

Irgun's members were extremely disciplined and daring, and their actions included the capture of ‘Akko (Acre) prison, a medieval fortress that not even Napoleon had succeeded in capturing. In the last days of the British mandate, it captured a large part of the city of Yafo (Jaffa).

On July 22, 1946, the Irgun blew up a wing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, killing 91 soldiers and civilians (British, Arab, and Jewish). On April 9, 1947, a group of Irgun commandos raided the Arab village of Dayr Yasin (modern Kefar Sha’ul), killing all 254 of its inhabitants.

After the creation of Israel in 1948 the Irgun's last units disbanded and took the oath of loyalty to the Israeli defense forces on Sept. 1, 1948. Politically, it was the precursor of the Herut (Freedom) Party, one of Israel's most militant right-wing groups, later merged with the Liberals into the Gahal Party. See also Stern Gang.


48 posted on 12/02/2001 5:29:16 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
Oh gee Phil V. I would have expected more from you. With an argument like that maybe you should find something else to do like talk about the durability of woolen socks as compared to nylon. Or maybe a how-to on wrapping Christmas presents.

I think we'll leave the tough subjects like how the founder of a religion, the Prophet of Peace (as compared to his followers) could be a thief and a murderer. One of the paradoxes of life I guess. But first you'll have to carefully distinguish between the founder and followers needless conflation leads to sloppy thinking. But as I said, you could leave these subjects to those more inclined to apply themselves to thinking rather than burping.

Insofar as Deir Yassin. Get an education here:


   Deir Yassin: History of a Lie March 9, 1998
  Introduction

  For fifty years, critics of Israel have used the battle of Deir Yassin to blacken the image of the
  Jewish State, alleging that Jewish fighters massacred hundreds of Arab civilians during a battle in
  that Arab village near Jerusalem in 1948.

  This analysis brings to light, for the first time, a number of important documents that have never
  previously appeared in English, which help clarify what really happened in Deir Yassin on that
  fateful day.

  One is a research study conducted by a team of researchers from Bir Zeit University, an Arab
  university now situated in Palestinian Authority territory, concerning the history of Deir Yassin and
  the details of the battle. The researchers interviewed numerous former residents of the town and
  reached startling conclusions concerning the actual number of people killed in the battle.

  The second important work on this subject that has never previously appeared in English, and
  which was consulted for this study, is a history of the 1948 war by Professor Uri Milstein, one of
  Israel's most distinguished military historians. His 13-volume study of the 1948 war includes a
  section on Deir Yassin based on detailed interviews with the participants in the battle and
  previously-unknown archival documents. Professor Milstein's meticulous research has been
  praised by academics from across the political spectrum.1

  Another document used in this study is the protocols of a 1952 hearing, in which, for the first and
  only time, Israeli judges heard eyewitness testimony from participants in the events at Deir Yassin
  and issued a ruling that has important implications for understanding what happened in that battle.

  This study is also based upon a unique collection of testimonies concerning the battle of Deir
  Yassin, by participants and eyewitnesses, which are on file in Israel's Metzudat Ze'ev Archives
  and have never before appeared in English.

  The documents cited in this study were located in Israeli archives by a team of researchers and
  legal scholars, with additional research in the United States by Chaviva Rosenbluth.

http://www.zoa.org/pubs/DeirYassin.htm

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Then find out when the Irgun and Stern were formed. You will find both were formed after years of Arab Islamic riots and murders. I guess the Jews like the Christians were just fighting the usual defensive battles again against the "religion of peace".

53 posted on 12/02/2001 6:24:17 PM PST by Lent
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To: Phil V.; 2sheep
Well, Phil V., I see that you're still straining at gnats (relatively speaking) while polishing off virtually every camel in the Middle East. You must have one hell of a colon to contain all those camels you've swallowed. It's obvious from the tremendous amount of you-know-what that issues from you in a heavy stream. Which "religion of peace" subdued by the sword the region from India to the Atlantic and from North Africa to Southern Europe? Judaism or Islam?
65 posted on 12/03/2001 4:07:53 AM PST by aruanan
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