HADEP : Armed PKK a Threat / People of Northern Iraq May Choose to Join Turkey

NTVMSNB ^ | 11.29.2001

[Shermy]

Great map. For the color and lay out too. OK, Have the Balkans. Amazing how small and decentralized the other countries were relative to the OE. But Venice impresses me with their far-flung gutsiness.

[vooch]

I guess Instanpolis is sending out some trial balloons to test US public opinion if the Turks decide to slaughter another 40,000 Kurdish villagers.

pray tell, why can't 40% of the population of the Turkish Pennisula (ie the Kurds) have normal civil rights ?

Why does the turkish state need to expend so much energy in supressing 40% of its population ?

[pkpjamestown]

Next, the EU would want to join the New Ottoman empire. Right? The US will follow, a couple of years after the EU. Have fun guys.

[Turk2]

C'mon man give us a break. We're just having fun and talkin' about the good old days. We're not stupid enough to want the Ottoman Empire back. There's no way you can keep so many unstable countries in one piece. It's not how much land you have that matters. Its how happy you make the people in the land you have that does. (and no, we won't allow other people to take the land we already have. Being civilized and being stupid are very different things:-))

By the way, weren't we supposed to be talking about a solution to the Cyprus problem in another thread?

I won't even bother to answer vooch. He probably lives in a different parallel dimension connected to ours only through the internet.

[Turk2]

Funny comment by the way. Looks like I've got a very intelligent 'enemy':-)

[eleni121]

Actually you and your Turkophiles are living on another planet or maybe still on the Mongolian steppes. The Ottoman Turks were responsible for centuries of atrocities never before visited upon humanity.

To the non ethnic Turkophiles: Don't you guys ever read up on history or has the Ottoman legend so enflamed your boring lives with visions of slave girls and boys serving the harem and eunuchs and slaves from all corners of the world. Oh, I forgot "Ataturk" and his fondness for little boys, a throwback to the "good old days" of oppression and domination of the Christian world.

[eleni121]

So what else is new... There is money and promises being thrown around big time in addition to the fractious nature of Kurdish politics.

Turks will never live in peace as long as compensation and acknowledgement of atrocities, pogroms, and genocide are not made. The Turks need to come to grips with their past just as Germans and Japanese are beginning to. Are they up to it? Probably not - just denial denial denial.

No justice no peace!

[Vigilanteman]

eleni121, you are the guy living on another planet. The discussion is current events, not what the Ottomans (who, over their nearly five century history had governments ranging from horrible to decent) did.

The fact is that the vast majority of the Kurds despise the Marxist PKK-- evidenced not only by the fact that the PKK's atrocities were largely confined to the Kurdish population, so they could have the aurua of sole spokesman, but by the fact that more Kurds fought against them than for them.

Back when I was a college student with a limited view of the world, I bought a lot of the clap-trap put out by the PKK. In the years since, the PKK has been unable to shed their Marxist doctrine even while the world has moved on.

It is no surprise that the Kurds in Iraq would prefer to live under Turkey than under Saddam Insane or what's left of the PKK. The only surprise is that they've finally worked up the nerve to declare it openly.

Let's hope our multiculturalist "keep Iraq's present boundries at any cost" State Department hacks will not let this opportunity pass to gerrymander Saddam out of a country.

[Turk2]

LOL.:-))))) I feel sorry for you. Get therapy and get rid of your senseless hate. You also have a tendency to lie and therefore should have that treated as well.

[eleni121]

Denial gets you nowhere fast. The facts speak for themselves. Turks are no one's friends. They lie, cheat, and rewrite history to ingratiate themselves with whomever they seek alliances with but in the end Turkish cruelty and barbarity is exposed. My concern is with those who must suffer under Turks today and yes, even many Turks themselves.

[Stentor]

I won't even bother to answer vooch. He probably lives in a different parallel dimension connected to ours only through the internet.

I am in danger of over-posting this thought, but the creepy Balkan thing on FR is twanging my nerves.

[Turk2]

Denial gets you nowhere fast. The facts speak for themselves. Turks Greeks are no one's friends. They lie, cheat, and rewrite history to ingratiate themselves with whomever they seek alliances with but in the end Turkish Greek cruelty and barbarity is exposed. My concern is with those who must suffer under Turks Greeks today and yes, even many Turks Greeks themselves.

[Turk2]

You're right. I'm sick of having to read these peoples' lies too.

[a_Turk]

The creepy balkan thing.. They're a bunch of sore losers.

[eleni121]

...the creepy Balkan thing on FR is twanging my nerves.

The Balkans were not merely subjugated militarily by the Turks but were also brutalized, enslaved, and culturally almost destroyed under the Ottoman Turkish oppression. Turks have perpetuated their horrors and propaganda campaign into this century and continue butting in Balkan affairs even in contemporary times. So, when you criticize Balkan intrigue, hatreds, and instability...you need to take into account the five hundred plus years of Ottoman Turkish persecution and dementia.

[JSteff]

Yeah, but they have been great allies and are valiant fighters... the North Koreans and Chinese were scared $hitle$$ of them.

As far as the brutalizing of the balkans peoples. Isn't it interesting that every group who has had anything to do with the balkans has brutalized them or had to rule them with an iron fist? Could it be that the fact that those people when not fighting with the latest ruler would just assume fight each other also? The most peacefull it was there was with Turkey and then Yugoslavia.

Something about their upbringing? Or maybe they just never wanted to join up civilization wise with the modern world and their neighbors because of their own problems of state management.

Maybe they need firm (not brutal) governance. Some peoples seem to be like that.

[eleni121]

Turks...valiant fighters??? A bit overblown I must say. Especially when discussing Turks. The reality is that they tend to go after those who are weaker than they are (women, children, the aged) and brutalize to the point where their reputation becomes exagerrated. Kinda like the Arab Muslims. I am afraid you have fallen into that trap of believing the myth too.

As far as your comment about Balkan peoples, your knowledge of history is dismal. And I just don't have the time...