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To: Pericles; Sabertooth; jra; Howlin; looscannon; PhiKapMom; Nick Danger; eddie willers...
Saber, thanks for the flag as always.

A few of us began to discuss potential links between Oklahoma City and the terrorists attacks of Sept. 11 on this thread when jra asked that the photos of Mohammed Atta and John Doe #2 be posted side by side like this:

4 posted on 10/24/01 10:33 PM Central by Nick Danger

(Nick, I think I'll leave the one of the Tourist Guy and John Doe #2 on that other thread....LOL)


If you don't mind, Pericles, I'll bring some of the other information over here, FWIW:

 

   One story is particularly poignant. Daina Bradley lost a leg in the April 19 blast, and her
    mother and two children were killed. She recalls looking out the plate-glass window of the
    Social Security office a few minutes before the explosion and seeing a yellow Ryder pull
    into the driveway. That is where the terrorists left the truck. According to Bradley, it was
    there for three to five minutes. Then she saw a side view of an olive-skinned white man
    leaving the passenger side of the Ryder truck. He was wearing a dark blue jacket and a
    baseball cap. She does not believe that person, who left the truck and walked quickly away
    from the federal building, was McVeigh. After that, all she recalled was electricity running
    through her body and a sensation of falling into rocks. Prosecutors contend that Bradley is
    a trauma victim and therefore her account is not reliable.

Emphasis mine
Link to Gerald Oosners page Link

33 posted on 10/24/01 11:12 PM Central by eddie willers


Grand Jury Charges Two With Bombing

                    "I think any time the government has to give two
                     {potential} co-defendants a pretty good deal, there
                     are weaknesses in the case," Jones told reporters.

                     He quickly sought to cloud the prosecution's
                     contentions by issuing a statement about a
                     government informant who late last year warned
                     federal authorities of a developing bomb plot
                     against a federal building in a midwestern city.

                     According to Jones, the informant described the
                     orchestrators of the plot as a "combination of
                     American citizens and, he thought, either Latin
                     Americans or Arabs.

                     The individuals were identified by Arabic names."
                     Jones said the informant also talked of traveling to
                     Kingman, Ariz.

40 posted on 10/24/01 11:33 PM Central by Irma


Mohammed Atta

He is a possible Egyptian national.

                He used the birthday Sept. 1, 1968.

Aliases include: Mehan Atta; Mohammad El Amir; Muhammad Atta; Mohamed
                El Sayed; Mohamed Elllsayed; Muhammad Muhammad Al Amir Awag Al
                Sayyid Atta; Muhammad Muhammad Al-Amir Awad Al Sayad.

                Identified by the FBI as the man who piloted the first plane to crash into the
                World Trade Center, Atta is said to have met early this year with the head of
                the Iraqi intelligence service, a report Iraq denies.

Atta, who had an Egyptian driver's license, is also reported to have met with
                several Islamic extremists at a hotel at the Spanish beach resort Salou.

                At times he used the name Mohamed El-Amir, as he did for eight years while
                an electrical engineering student at the Technical University in Hamburg,
                Germany, where he had ties to an Islamic group that planned attacks on
                American targets, and lived with Marwan Al-Shehhi, a cousin who also
                appears on the FBI's hijacker list.

The two men are believed to have arrived in the U.S. in May. Atta lived in
                Venice, Coral Springs, and Hollywood, Fla., where he may have used public
                computers at two libraries, and where he and Al-Shehhi were spotted
                partying the Friday before Sept. 11, playing video games and drinking.

                Both men trained as pilots at Huffman Aviation in Venice, where they lived
                together, and practiced on Boeing 727 flight simulators at SimCenter in
                Opalacka, Fla.

                Based on an eyewitness identification, investigators believe Atta was one
                of a group of five men holed up in the Valencia Hotel in Laurel, Md., in
                August and September, driving an older model Toyota Corolla with California
                license plates.

Video surveillance photos of the airport in Portland, Me., show Atta and
                Abdulaziz Alomari rushing to make a flight from Maine to Boston early on
                the morning of the hijackings.
Source

73 posted on 10/25/01 12:25 PM Central by Irma




69 posted on 10/25/01 11:39 AM Central by Howlin


I also can't help but believe that the EgyptAir Flight 990 suicide/crash was connected to terrorism.
Just look at the manner in which it happened.

Report: Relief pilot ordered EgyptAir co-pilot out of seat

                WASHINGTON -- The relief co-pilot suspected of
                  putting EgyptAir Flight 990 into a fatal dive reportedly
                  used his seniority to order the plane's co-pilot out of his
                  seat shortly before the crash. Gameel el-Batouty "pull(ed)
                  rank" on the younger co-pilot, investigators told the New
                  York Times.

                  The conversation between the more senior aviator
                  el-Batouty, 59, and co-pilot Adel Anwar, 36, was in
                  Arabic. Three U.S. officials who described it told the
                  newspaper they were relying on translations and the tone
                  of voice.

                  They would not give specific wording of the conversation,
                  which was recorded on the plane's cockpit voice recorder
                  before the plane plunged into the ocean off
                  Nantucket Island, Massachusetts, killing all 217 people
                  aboard.

                  "He was using his stature," said one official, who
                  described el-Batouty as being "very assertive." Another
                  U.S. official told the Times that "very insistent" was a
                  better description than "assertive."

Remember all the reports of Middle-Easterners in jump seats?  And Atta may have been Egyptian?

15 posted on 11/25/2001 4:38:57 AM PST by Irma
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To: Irma
I have used that exact SAME ATM at UNO's in the Maine Mall at least a dozen times .... scary
20 posted on 11/25/2001 6:13:11 AM PST by clamper1797
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To: Irma
FYI the Portland airport is within walking distance from UNO's ... I wonder if they were staying at the Embassy Suites right there.
21 posted on 11/25/2001 6:15:18 AM PST by clamper1797
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To: Irma
=80

I'd never seen the side-by-side of Atta and John Doe #2 before.

24 posted on 11/25/2001 6:36:29 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Irma
As a jumpseater myself I need to immediately dispel the myth that one of the hijackers was in the jumpseat.He may have signed up to use it,but because the load was so light on all the flights that were hijacked that day,the Captain would have the jumpseater sit in the cabin.Most likely in first class.If the hijacker insisted on riding up front all the way to LAX or SFO,it would have aroused suspicion among the crew,I guarantee it.Jumpseating was how certificated airmen like myself got to work,it is rare that a crewmember lives in the city he or she is based.Thanks to 9/11, commuting by using airline reciprocal jumpseat agreements for certificated airmen is very difficult at best.Irresponsible rumor mongering like the hijack/jumpseat one make it very tough on airline employees trying to work.
28 posted on 11/25/2001 7:49:10 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: Irma
freaky
63 posted on 11/25/2001 4:31:18 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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