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To: Demidog
There are no exceptions for war written anywhere in the document.

Thanks, Demidog, for reminding us of what we all should know. There are no exceptions for war written anywhere in the Constitution. The problem is, thanks to various historical precedents, there are such things as "customary usages" which do not seem to offend the People.

Which is the best argument I can think of in favor of the proposition that the People really need to be getting back to "basics" right about now. Either we will understand, respect, and live the Constitution, or we will lose it. Seems pretty simple to me.

BTW, I never said any human right was a grant of the state. The reason we don't want to lose the Constitution is because it defends our rights against naked state power, and demands that the state guarantee and uphold the sovereign rights of persons. But you already knew that (I think). All my best, bb.

86 posted on 11/26/2001 4:21:38 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
BTW, I never said any human right was a grant of the state.

I was just noticing siomething you had said regarding "don't worry about the immigrants" etc etc.

We should always worry when our government manufactures an excuse to pretend that people and persons mean "citizen."

That bankrupt idea was promulgated in Dred Scott v Sanford and was upheld as a matter of fact in US v Verdugo Urquidez but the Court doesn't want to admit that it is actually upholding Dred Scot.

The 14th Amendment supposedly repudiates Dred Scot but in reality it actually confirms Dred Scot as a valid decision.

That kind of thinking (bill of rights only applies to citizens) needs to be squashed like a bug in my not so humble opinion.

89 posted on 11/26/2001 4:29:14 PM PST by Demidog
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To: betty boop
-----"it Defends our Rights againts Naked State Power!----

YOU GO, GIRL!!

If we EVER "Forget" this Principle, we may need Centuries to regain our Freedom & "Human Dignity!"

Doc

101 posted on 11/26/2001 5:02:59 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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