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Is This Gay Behavior Sick?
Too Good Reports ^ | November 21, 2001 | Henry Makow Ph.D.

Posted on 11/21/2001 6:50:27 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen

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To: GW in Ohio
"Just about every reputable psychologist in the world disagrees with the assumption that homosexuality is a perversion"
Name a reputable psychologist.
21 posted on 11/21/2001 7:35:35 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: GW in Ohio
Just about every reputable psychologist in the world disagrees with the assumption that homosexuality is a perversion.

Including the homosexuals, the misguided, and the ones who know better but are afraid of what the homosexual activists will do to them. The rest just help their patients to get better.

22 posted on 11/21/2001 7:35:39 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: Singapore_Yank
Excellent reply - you beat me to making that exact CORRECT point!!!
23 posted on 11/21/2001 7:37:47 AM PST by my4kidsdad
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To: Stand Watch Listen
"This book was written in 1989 and obviously a campaign similar to this has taken effect. Read what the authors say about it:

“By Conversion, we mean something far more profoundly threatening to the American Way of Life [than subversion] …We mean conversion of the average American´s emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean…to turn their hatred into warm regard whether they like it or not.” (153)..."

Through a planned psychological attack using a "skillful and clever media campaign":

From "The Overhauling of Straight America":

"The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights. To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion... At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full “appreciation” or “understanding” of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing, with a shrug of their shoulders, then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won.

The way to benumb raw sensitivities about homosexuality is to have a lot of people talk a great deal about the subject in a neutral or supportive way. Open and frank talk makes the subject seem less furtive, alien, and sinful, more above-board. Constant talk builds the impression that the public opinion is at least divided on the subject, and that a sizable segment accepts or even practices homosexuality. Even rancorous debates between opponents and defenders serve the purpose of desensitization so long as “respectable” gays are front and center to make their own pitch. The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome.

And when we say talk about homosexuality, we mean just that. In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed and gay rights should be reduced to an abstract social question as much as possible. First let the camel get his nose inside the tent -- and only later his unsightly derriere!"

...In no time, a skillful and clever media campaign could have the gay community looking like the veritable fairy godmother to Western Civilization..."

24 posted on 11/21/2001 7:39:03 AM PST by EdReform
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To: pray4liberty
While I have no love for the militant "gay" agenda, let's be aware that most of the "ravaging" of heterosexual families is coming from 100% heterosexuals who don't want to make a family work.

Please do not misuse the word "gay"! The word you are searching for is HOMOSEXUAL! On a related topic, do not misuse the word heterosexual famalies, they are "normal families".

There is no doubt that there are problems with families today, watch what they learn from the news, TV, radio, music...HOMOSEXUALS, sexual games, adultry, etc. is all talked as if it were "normal" it isn't!

25 posted on 11/21/2001 7:42:51 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: Stand Watch Listen
While I agree that much of what is in the initial post is true, there are some sweeping generalisations. Not all gay men fit this mould.

I have NO love at all for a militant gay agenda, but I do have some gay friends who don't fit this stereotype. Of course, overt homosexuality, is less obvious here in Ireland than I imagine it is in the US.

26 posted on 11/21/2001 7:43:18 AM PST by Happygal
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To: EdReform
“Desensitization”: flooding straight America with advertising presenting gays in the “least offensive manner possible.” “Jamming”: Advertising that equates fear of gays with hatred of Jews, Blacks and women. “Conversion”: Presenting images of gays that look like regular folks. “The image must be the icon of normality.”

Excellent observations! My favorite is when they compare themselves to normal man/woman relationships; it’s a coping mechanism for their torment. They pretend an anus is a vagina, they play house and they want their filth and degradation recognized legally.

27 posted on 11/21/2001 7:43:19 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: FormerLib
Here's my formula: Homosexual orientation : a developmental abnormality, not to be condemened.

Homosexual behavior : an individual's choice. People with homosexual orientation need God's love and ours to help them not engage to in it.

Gay culture : pure evil. Must be condemened without reservation.

28 posted on 11/21/2001 7:43:36 AM PST by ZeitgeistSurfer
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Must be, hoardes of the rump rangers certainly are.
29 posted on 11/21/2001 7:46:41 AM PST by wattsmag2
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To: Singapore_Yank; GW in Ohio
"This point might actually carry some weight if it weren't for the downright heavy-handed way that the APA operates. If you ever read about how homosexuality was taken off of the list of treatable mental disorders, you'll see that it was not that psychologists were discovering that, but instead that homosexuals themselves got into positions of enough authority to push through the changes in policy."

The A.P.A. Normalization of Homosexuality, and the Research Study of Irving Bieber

"...Dr. Bieber was one of the key participants in the historical debate which culminated in the 1973 decision to remove homosexuality from the psychiatric manual.

His paper describes psychiatry's attempt to adopt a new "adaptational" perspective of normality. During this time, the profession was beginning to sever itself from established clinical theory--particularly psychoanalytic theories of unconscious motivation--claiming that if we do not readily see "distress, disability and disadvantage" in a particular psychological condition, then the condition is not disordered..."

Dr. Bieber describes the deletion of homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association's diagnostic and statistical manual as "the climax of a sociopolitical struggle involving what were deemed to be the rights of homosexuals."

"It is my aim here," he wrote, "to separate out the psychiatric and conceptual issues from the sociopolitical issues; to document my own theoretical and clinical position; and to describe the events that I participated in and observed--all of which I trust will bring into focus the elements that went into the American Psychiatric Association's decision."...

A task force was set up to study homosexuality, but the members chosen included not a single psychiatrist who held the view that homosexuality was not a normal adaptation. There followed riots at scientific meetings by gay activists who increased the pressure on the Psychiatric Association.

Will preventive therapy for homosexuality be prohibited, Dr. Bieber wondered, when homosexuality is normalized?...


The factors that determined the decision of the APA to delete homosexuality from DSM-II were summarized as follows:

1. Gay activists had a profound influence on psychiatric thinking.

2. A sincere belief was held by liberal-minded and compassionate psychiatrists that listing homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder supported and reinforced prejudice against homosexuals. Removal of the term from the diagnostic manual was viewed as a humane, progressive act.

3. There was an acceptance of new criteria to define psychiatric conditions. Only those disorders that caused a patient to suffer or that resulted in adjustment problems were thought to be appropriate for inclusion in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual.

30 posted on 11/21/2001 7:46:45 AM PST by EdReform
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To: GW in Ohio
Do you really want to use those two words together: reputable psychologist?

Talk about an oxymoron...if people follow God we would need physho-babillists. When we are full of ourselves and things don't turn out we get depressed and need a shrink.

If we believe in God and let him have control it is harder (but not impossible) to become depressed because we are not in control (because we know we aren't).

31 posted on 11/21/2001 7:49:17 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: Khepera
Is Gay Behavior Sick?

Dumb question!

33 posted on 11/21/2001 7:53:38 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Wrong... 1. Just because people conceal themselves for obvious reason, it doesn't make them an pathological liars. I mean, look at Clinton, he is straight. This is non-sense. 2. Gays do not reject all forms of morality and values. They just reject stupid moral and values. Individual has to either adopt or discover his/her own value. Apprently, you just adopt any values as long as it's not gay. This article is pathetic... 3. Heterosexuals have unprotected sex even though they are diagnosed with HIV, too. How do you think women contract HIV. I guess they all get it from gays? 4. Majority of gays aren't promiscous. Most of the time, gays do not have good gay social connection. Where some live straight lives because they have to because people like you or they are single. Also Drugs and Alcohols, I guess heterosexuals do not do drugs and alcohols. I get it, gays invented this like gays invented HIV? 5. Manys gays do not engage in public sexual display. I don't know why this article says this? So stupid... 6. Relationship? Have you ever seen "Sex in the City." If you haven't, check it out. Heterosexual relationship doesn't last that long either. In ER, everybody has sex with everybody. I know it's television, but maybe that's how it is like to be among heterosexual dating ritual? This article is just stupid because it is full of garbage. This is what would sound like if this same crap was playing on Heterosexuals.. 1. Heterosexuals tend to get babies get on welfare program. 2. Heterosexuals are get divorced, leaving trauma to their children and family. Often, they divorce repeatly, resulting unstable life style. 3. Heterosexual men often cheats and they often cheats with their young female interns. 4. Heterosexual men are often are porn addicts. They subscribe to countless pornographic media for self indulgence. Often this type of ritual occurs with their wifes. Heterosexuals often fantasize about lesbians. 5. Heterosexuals are involved with racing profiling and racial discrimination. 6. Heterosexuals often do not wear condoms when they have sex, resulting bastard child or STD. 7. Some Heterosexuals kill their unborn child in convinience, resulting in murder. This happends quite often. They often fight this as rights, must be fun. 8. Heterosexuals produce gays and they tell them to go to hell. 9. Most rapes cases involve Heterosexual, hence most heterosexuals have rape tendencies, sickening act... 10. some heterosexuals commit animal cruelty. What else... I guess I can go on... The point is that the above article is a non-sense...
34 posted on 11/21/2001 7:54:32 AM PST by ideablitz
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To: GW in Ohio
Just about every reputable psychologist in the world disagrees with the assumption that homosexuality is a perversion.


Main Entry: per·ver·sion
Pronunciation: p&r-'v&r-zh&n, -sh&n
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : the action of perverting : the
condition of being perverted
2 : a perverted form; especially :
an aberrant sexual practice
especially when habitual and preferred to normal coitus

It looks like your reputable psychologists need to open up a dictionary. BTW, the practice of perversion was removed from the APA’s schedule of disorders by means of a vote, and not by any reputable method like maybe “science”. Any psychologists that align themselves with the APA on this point are not reputable!

35 posted on 11/21/2001 8:00:58 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Stand Watch Listen
As you read this, ask yourself if there is another human community, including the Mafia that could make these generalizations about itself.

Okay, let's see if the Mafia could make these generalizations about itself. We'll use the Sopranos as a stereotypical mafia model.

The authors say “a surprisingly high percentage” of pathological liars and con men are gay.

I feel safe in saying a surprisingly high percentage of pathological liars and con men are mafioso. Examples? Big Pussy---lying to Tony about being wire-tapped. Con men? Chris Moltesante with his tech stock rigging . . . Tony with his airline ticket rebate scam . . .

They say gays tend to reject all forms of morality and value judgments.

Oh man, the mafia could definitely say the same thing. Just watch one scene between Tony Soprano and Dr. Malphi (sp?).

They say gays suffer from a “narcissistic” personality disorder and they give this clinical description: “pathological self absorption, a need for constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others, quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization and devaluation.”

Two Words: Christopher Moltesante. Remember when he strutted like a peacock into that knee-jerk pizza joint after he became a made man? Madonne.

As an example of this narcissism, the authors say “a very sizable proportion of gay men” who have been diagnosed HIV positive continue to have unprotected sex.

Remember the guys who tried to pop Moltesante? I bet they were having unprotected sex . . . they lived together, that scene where they were hanging around in their BVDs . . .

They say the majority of gays are extremely promiscuous and self-indulgent. They must continuously up the ante to achieve arousal. This begins with alcohol and drugs and includes such “forbidden” aspects of sex as wallowing in filth (fetishism and coprophilia) and sadomasochism, which involves violence.

Richie Aprile forcing the barrel of a gun into Janice Soprano's mouth while the two of them were having sex. And how many affairs has Tony had?

They say many gays indulge in sex in public bathrooms and think it is antigay harassment when it is stopped. Many think they have a right to importune straight males, including children.

Okay, you've got me there. Mafia guys go to cheap hotels way out in the burbs to get their jollies.

Many gays are “single minded sexual predators” fixated on youth and physical beauty alone. When it comes to the old or ugly, gays are “the real queerbashers.”

Funny, but you never see Tony, Chris, or Paulie Walnuts chasing tail that looks like Rosie O'Donnell or Penny Marshall.

“Relationships between gay men don´t usually last very long.” They quickly tire of their partners and fall victim to temptation.

The whole story of the Sopranos is the story of criminal business relationships gone awry and power struggles within organizations---all based on greed and temptation.

Even friendships are based on the sexual test and hard to sustain. Unattractive gay men find it nearly impossible to find a friend, let alone a lover.

"It ain't personal---it's binnes."

The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.

Tony Soprano constantly denies his business activities are criminal. Instead, he sees himself as some sort of noble Roman chieftan in modern form.

So there. Except for one, these generalizations could apply to the mafia as well as they could apply to homosexuals.

36 posted on 11/21/2001 8:00:59 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: GW in Ohio
"Reputable psychologist"? Show me one! Heck, the psych major girls I dated in college were the most screwed up of all. I could care less what some egg-headed, pencil necked geek psychologist says...common sense says YES, HOMOSEXUALITY IS SICK!!!!!!

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

37 posted on 11/21/2001 8:10:58 AM PST by wku man
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To: wku man
I never met a psycho-logist who wasn't a psycho him/herself.
38 posted on 11/21/2001 8:20:11 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: mille99
I have NEVER heard any gay say that heterosexuality is a socialized condition and against nature.

Of course not! Because heterosexuality is the biological norm and everyone knows it. LOL!

39 posted on 11/21/2001 8:23:47 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: Clint N. Suhks
The first person that can intelligently argue that(having sexual intercourse with, licking, eating human fecies)is normal wins the debate.
40 posted on 11/21/2001 8:27:44 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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