[vrwc54]

I heard this last night on Fox. This article is an accurate account of Grose's comments.

[maquiladora]

Have they recovered the Flight Data Recorder yet, or still just the Cockpit Vocie Recorder?
The FDR has scores of inputs from virtually every section of the plane, if there was a progresive mechanical failure, it would be pretty easy to follow looking at the data.
However, if there was a bomb to blame then you'd see an instant and unexplained knockout of hyd/elec parts in the blast area.
As soon as they find the FTR it shouldn't take the NTSB too long to figure out what happened.

[firewalk]

I don't believe that this plane crash was an accident.

And by the way, I'll probably have to get another keyboard after seeing the picture in your profile. LOL!

[dawn53]

Just heard former FAA official on MSNBC, his problem with the accident theory was how come the tail came off first.

Plus an FBI guy said the NTSB and FBI were essentially doing a parallel investigation.

[chatham]

Deja Vu. Shades of TWA 800, 90 people witnessed a bright light going up from the ground in an arc toward flight 800 just before it blew up.

Clinton's FBI said it was a accident.

Funny, that's the same thing they said about an hour after this plane hit the ground.

I really have a tough time believing the FBI, especially so quick, after the crash and in light of TWA800

[Fiddlstix]

Bump

[aristeides]

Didn't that Air Egypt flight also have a problem with a stabilizer?

[KentuckyWoman]

Ping

[zog]

--tell ya what is really being glossed over. Several of the eyewitness reports a pop-pop-pop BANG noise. They also report helicopters and military fighter jets very close by. Sounds a lot more to me like cannon fire than anything else, leading to an el kaboom, and the pieces falling off in a weird pattern.

So then, you'd have to ask "Say what? Why?", well maybe since 9-11 they have some panic button, voice not needed, anything going wrong with a plane, the pilot pushes a button, this signal is transmitted down and around the command and control food chain in a timely manner, to whomever is flying aircap, and I doubt that NYC DOESN'T have 24/7 armed military aircap right now. So, someone in that chain misinterprets a warning signal, someone else gets the nod to "do their duty", and a whoopsie daisy is the result.

The government already said clearly "no more hijackings", zero tolerance, they get shot down, so perhaps a minor mechanical problem got misinterpreted as a hijacking, one thing leads to another in a very short time span, and you got plane A on ground B, minus parts C, D, and E which got blown off and fell elsewheres, the biggest chunk out over the water where the noises were when it all started, and where it might have been safer for a "takedown" move...

Look at various governments "zero tolerance" attemtps with other issues, tweety bird keychains leading to a suspension at a school, pictures of an army man, suspension, travelers getting on an airplane, nailfiles and fingernail clippers confiscated. On and on, thousands of examples of misinterpreting reality. some poor slob just sells a car, got 4 grand cash on him, gets pulled over for something, cops sees the cash, the poor slob is now an automatic drug dealer.

Government always acts as a drunken eleephant, it really has little finesse or grace, not really, it blunders this way or that, either completely ignores a problem-like security up to 9-11, or over-reacts, uses a howitzer as a flyswatter.

[LarryLied]

My hunch is the same group of right wing extremists behind the anthrax deaths brought down Flight 587. White supremist Neo-Nazi conservatives. Most of the passengers were Dominican. It all fits.

[rogers21774]

The truth is out there.

...somewhere amongst all the BS.

[jackbill]

This was also my initial thought but after considering it for a while I've concluded that there might be another explanation.

The area where the engines and most of the aircraft came down is only three or four blocks wide, with Jamaica Bay on one side and the Atlantic Ocean on the other.

1. The vertical stabilizer is a lot lighter than an engine.

2. From observing the smoke plume, it is obvious that there was a fairly strong breeze off of the ocean - toward Jamaica Bay.

3. Depending on the altitude of the aircraft when the "engine came off", and the distance "off-shore" where the stabilizer and other "light" parts fell in Jamaica Bay it is conceivable that the engine could have knocked these parts off. The engine would have dropped almost vertical but the lighter parts could have been blown back the several blocks toward Jamaica Bay.

Just a thought. We'll soon know for sure.

[wjcsux]

I heard it as well. There was also film footage of the vertical stabilizer, minus the rudder, being lifted out of the water by a crane.

[boris]

The engine is massive and has a lot of momentum. It will tend to be projected along the flight path if it comes loose.

The tail is big and flat and wingy-like. It has a "low reynolds number" whereas the engine has a high reynolds number. The air appears "more soupy" to the tail than it does to the engine--which is essentially a big bullet. The tail will tend to 'flutter' down, with a high drag coefficient and rapid loss of forward velocity.

Think "ballistic coefficient".

It is entirely possible for the tail to be retarded by viscous aerodynamic forces while the engine is not retarded as much.

I am not saying this is what happened, but it is a technically plausible explanation.

--Boris