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To: independentmind
I am baffled as to why you think that all sorts of radicalism need to be explained in terms of Communism

Besides the fact there exist incontrovertible ties between the leninists and radicals (particularly terrorists) the world over and it's the leninists who've networked, trained, supported and controlled "radical" politicians, students, academics, clerics and terrorists throughout the world as a part of their long-range strategy ... particularly where the "period of escalating violence" or the clenched fist to the face of the all-too accommodating West was concerned?

I guess because communism brought militant atheism to a certain perfection. The pull of evil on the human psyche -- the temptation to Uber-status in Utopia -- surely is as ancient as serpent in the Garden.

In all my talks with so-called atheists on these boards, none has yet to offer me the convincing evidence that their so-called "pagans" were truly atheist. They proffer arguments of this man against polytheism and such as if it were somehow equivalent to the incredibly sophisticated (for all its namby-pamby New Age gloss) and decidedly deadly modern militant atheists.

It's not just that "personal interpretation" -- whether that of Mohammed, some lobotomized Bibliolator or your average Enlightened-to-death protestant -- has reached a climax of incoherence. Lending any credence or weight to "Personal values" being the height of conceit in light of deconstruction, historicism, relativism and other atomistic models leading straight to the Noosphere void. Rabid individualism and the faux "tolerance" that is equating Falsehood with Truth out of respect for another "Self-Esteem" practically MANDATES a coalesced man utterly devoid of meaning or purpose (all personal meanings and personal objectives being equally meaningless and ripe for control by the Conditioners who codify "hate crimes").

Rather, it's that we've reached a perfection of slaughter as well ... literally preventing conception, offing in the womb and exterminating en masse the "Unwanted" in the preliminary stages of population reduction.

How much more clear about their intent must they get?

I've been trying to use "militant atheist" in lieu of communist where possible so as to give credit where credit is due (to the Hegemon's cunning legalists and our dead-eyed bankers) but seems to me I should keep using "communist" if, for no other reason, than it's making a certain comeback now that most have swallowed perestroika hook, line and sinker and tend to giggle at the idea of there still being "communists".

That said ... I base my arguments on three things:


(1) Islam's Inexplicable Rise from the Ashes

The fact that Islam was in a seriously disparate funk of decline until consciousnesses were "raised" and cells were organized by the Soviets ... including the Soviets who sponsored terrorists like Begin and globalist sympathizers of all stripes who supported the confection of Israel (as flashpoint and East/West fulcrum) to focus the Middle East and jam a thorn in paw of the Pan-Arab states.

Conflict over resources and geopolitical control became more easily managed through the prism of Israel and the canny could enjoy a certain insight to intelligence and influence over the affairs of the United States all the while.

Strangely enough, the use of "Islam" is not in any way restricted to the Middle East but is strangely purposed here at home. Perhaps if I didn't have ASK for a copy of the 'Nation of Islam' newspaper the young black men in suits sell at the intersections on Elysian Fields, I might have some notion that the rise of "Islam" were a genuine, "grassroots" sort of affair. Instead, I find it a revolution from above along the lines of the Catholic "Call to Action" or "Renew" programs which seek to organize the faithful to an agenda.


(2) The Essential Atomism at the Heart of a Coalesced Mankind

The consistent strain of "personal interpretation" seems inevitably to lead toward leninist lockstep domination of thought, especially among ALL People of the Book ...

  1. whether it's Jews who must righteously accept, nay demand, the the state of Isreal as the world's (and the US's) obligation to recognize God's promise to them as the Chosen People. (i.e., If you don't support Israel, you're a bad Jew or a Jew-hater.)

  2. whether it's Muslims conditioned to run with the more abhorrent elements of Mohammed's heresy history proves are extremely effective.

  3. or whether it's Christians encouraged to adulterate their faith in the name of "tolerance" and embrace instead a wholly politicized and materialistic Social Worker take on the "Gospel as Character Training" by our Favorite Philospher.

It's that old magic Number 3 again. (Something just irrestible about that dynamic, even for dead-eyed Third Way fellow travelers.)

It's triangulation. It only serves to perpetuate certain sacrosanct geopolitical constructs even as it (1) seeks the ruin of Islam (through the resurrection of radicalism that can only ensure a daisy-cutter correction applied Serbia-style indiscriminately by "moral" Christians who no longer fight Just Wars but mete out Hammurabi-style justice with Pontius Pilate's Clean Hands); (2) seeks the ruin of Christianity through the reduction of Christ to philosopher; and, (3) seeks the ruin of Judaism by placing the state of Israel somehow before God and Abraham.

If I were a militant atheist, I'd find it very helpful to frame for the world the FACT that even the People of the Book can't agree to stop killing each other and that this God-thing at best is some kind of trickster whose Word cannot be trusted to end in anything BUT bloodshed. I'd find this very helpful for encouraging folks to take what I FOUND TO BE the useful bits of religion and bag the rest as I promised Peace at the point of gun and Justice maintained by affirmative action and Hate Crime legislation.

(3) It's the same-old same-old

I see no reason Evil can't make true Progress in the world even if it be based on lies. There is the ungodly efficient mass genocide of human life in the hundreds of millions (by communists, fascists and abortuaries who liquidate human life en masse). Even more telling -- there's the consistent assault on Common Sense that's brutalized souls and left us, in large part, a drugged people with a vampirish lust for non-procreative sex which never sates and strangely fixated on "reality" entertainment revolving around the calculated building of coalitions only to better manipulate the Useful and cull the Unwanted.

So if I'm profoundly respectful of the leninist's virtuosity and documented achievement in this regard, it's just because they've accomplished in one century an unprecedented success in Killing the Unwanted and Re-forming the Useful into New Men.

I certainly don't mean to denigrate or ignore the really breathtaking contributions to evil which utopianism (fascist, Maoist, theocratic, materialist, technological ... what have you) have offered throughout human history. I'm just truly impressed by the communist mind as the most cunning, committed and compelling manifestation of purposed evil the planet's ever seen.

Perhaps I was just unduly influenced by the likes of Whittaker Chambers as a youngster. I tend to agree with him that the world had not seen the likes of Christianity's rise until leninism swept the globe and seeped like acid into the brains of the unsuspecting.

Hearkening back to my initial statement, I don't presume for a moment to believe that Christian truths cannot be found elsewhere in the world. There are no holes in the Catholic cosmos, as you know. It's just that they reached a decided perfection of confirmation and revelation in the Incarnation, that's all.

In the past couple years, I've grown to regret the misunderstanding I used to have where the Jews as "Chosen People" were concerned. (Though, on the other hand, I respect far more as "faithful Jews" those who DON'T proselytize or pretend it's of any consequence whether the goyim "convert" into Jews ... =)

Without a doubt, indeed they are God's chosen people. There is no voice like the voice of the Jews in the Psalms that so richly sounds a human heart's relationship with its creator ... complaining, crying, hoping, bartering, rejoicing, trusting, fearing, loving. And who better than Abraham to prove he was indeed made in God's image as he offered his son in sacrifice with all the trust and love, obedience and perfect submission to God's will that was Christ's en route to Golgotha.

I see no reason that Evil should enjoy its own preparation for the coming of the Anti-Christ by a Chosen People.

In every nation, in every discipline, in every tongue and faith ... gramscian marxist leninists have consistently and effectively worked to bend the truth, compartmentalize existence, increase the atomism inherent in rabid individualism and reduce human existence to the purely material, measurable "seen" world.

A way is being prepared and it's being prepared by those whose calling card is the absolute inverse of Abraham's self-sacrifice ... his knowledge of and humble submission to God in the fullness of love and trust.

I tend to think more spherically than linearly, so don't get the idea I've suddenly decided to announce the imminent arrival of the Anti-Christ ... I just think that, if anyone's as simpatico with and desirous of Satan as Abraham was with God ... it's the leninist atheists, that's all.

50 posted on 11/11/2001 11:12:27 AM PST by Askel5
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To: independentmind
Oh dear ... serious logorrhea ... sorry about that.
51 posted on 11/11/2001 11:13:46 AM PST by Askel5
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To: Askel5
gramscian marxist leninists have consistently and effectively worked to ... compartmentalize existence

What does gramscian mean? Are you referring to the Italian Communist?

The compartmentalization of existence is the top story (as we journalists say) of the last few centuries. Ironically, the fact that it's happening prevents it from being seen by the masses, although it's obvious to the non-conclusive thinker.

It's the reason for the trends in modern art; compare the old "story" paintings with impressionism, cubism, Pollock, Mondrian and Rothko, and modern music; from classical to jazz, rock and rap. And it bestrides the narrow world of politics and social behavior. "Thing A has nothing to do with Thing B" recently won the social argument of the century award, is accepted by both major political parties, and is the definition of the Libertarian Party.

Do you really think a change this fundamental in the human psyche can be attributed to marxist/lenninists, or any other group?

61 posted on 11/19/2001 1:42:48 PM PST by monkey
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