Bin Laden In Turkey Twice

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[Pericles]

Oh you mean the Sarajevo Romeo and Juliet? I remember them. You seem to have forgot about the market place killings you blamed on the Serbs. You did not expect proof existed that the Muslims killed thier own. I am not your typical American. I know my world events and I know my history.

More to come.

[Pericles]

Sarajevo's 'Romeo and Juliet' finally at peace

April 11, 1996

Caption: Nermina Ismic mourns at the burial of her daughter, Admira, and her boyfriend Bosko Brkic on Wednesday in Sarajevo. The bodies were exhumed from a Serb military cemetery and taken to the city.

Associated Press

SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herceovina -- The couple whose love and death came to symbolize Sarajevo's tragedy came home in coffins and were buried together Wednesday, ending the odyssey of a Serb man and Muslim woman the world knew as Romeo and Juliet.

Bosko Brkic and Admira Ismic died in sniper fire on Sarajevo's most dangerous bridge in May 1993. Their bodies lay in a last embrace for a week before being buried in a Serb-held suburb.

With the war over, Admira's father wanted his daughter and her beloved to rest in the city where they met. On Wednesday, the two were lowered into a joint grave in Lion Cemetery. Side-by-side wooden markers engraved with their names mark the spot.

"This is where they were killed and this is where they should have been buried," said Zijad Ismic, as his wife, Nermina, sobbed.

Ismic said he tried in vain to find Bosko's family to get permission for the reburial.

The story of the couple's love and death outgrew their personal tragedy to become a symbol of Sarajevo's plight.

Both were 25, and they had been together for nine years when they died. Asked by Bosko's mother at the start of the Bosnian war whether politics could ever separate them, Admira replied that only a bullet could do that.

The bullet came in 1993, remembered by many as the worst year of Sarajevo's siege, with hunger, cold and shelling daily occurrences.

The two had decided to seek a better life somewhere else.

They made a deal with friends in the Muslim-led government army to escape over the Vrbanja bridge across the Miljacka River. Government troops on the north bank and Serbs on the south kept the bridge under fierce sniper fire, making it a deadly no-man's land.

They went in daylight and were almost across when a sniper's bullet -- nobody knows from where -- killed Bosko. Another wounded Admira. She crawled to Bosko's body, put her arm around him and died without trying to go on alone.

As both sides traded blame for the killings, no one dared retrieve the bodies. Pictures of the dead couple filled newspapers and touched hearts worldwide.

Finally, the Serbs retrieved the bodies and buried them. Copyright 1996, The Detroit News

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Let us see the events:

They made a deal with friends in the Muslim-led government army to escape over the Vrbanja bridge across the Miljacka River. Government troops on the north bank and Serbs on the south kept the bridge under fierce sniper fire, making it a deadly no-man's land.

Oh so nice of the Muslims to get them help across. But why pick such a dangerous spot? The Muslims had safe outs from Sarajevo.

They went in daylight and were almost across when a sniper's bullet -- nobody knows from where -- killed Bosko. Another wounded Admira. She crawled to Bosko's body, put her arm around him and died without trying to go on alone.

Daylight?? They crossed a sniped bridge at daylight?? when a sniper's bullet -- nobody knows from where - I am guessing the same side that told them the bridge was safe.

Finally, the Serbs retrieved the bodies and buried them. Those Serbs! So evil!

The bodies were exhumed from a Serb military cemetery and taken to the city. Muslim propoganda props to the end. The Muslims did not even put a cross to mark the Christian Serb's grave.

[Pericles]

hey guys, a blast from the past. Remember when we were the fringe?

[joan]

Don't you do any research? The couple was murdered by a Croat, Dragan Bozic, who fought for the Federation. Many, many things blamed on the Serbs were done by the Muslims. Do some research on the group Seve.

Therefore, every time you think of that couple kill blame the correct people - the Croats and Muslims of Seve.

Balkanpeace

A French peace forces member was killed at the time with a sniper bullet. Are Seve behind that murder?

Yes, they are... The unofficial information was that an investigation of that murder had been opened. The murder took place in the center of Sarajevo, next to the building of the Executive Council, and there was a well founded suspicion that the murder had been carried out by Seve. Herenda confirmed that in a part of his statement. According to him, the French soldier was murdered in an attempt to accuse Serbs for the crime. However, investigators who worked on that crime immediately found out that the bullet could not have come from the Serb positions in Grbavica, as was claimed in the public. The whole case caused quite a stir but Delic, Dautbasic, Mujezinovic, and Ugljen tried to hush everything down and were largely successful in that.

Fake Autopsies

Who murdered the young couple, a Muslim woman and a Serb man, on one bridge in Sarajevo, on the line of separation? That crime outraged the whole world and Serbs were blamed for it.

That is not true. This was perfidious propaganda of the people who gave orders to Seve. Herenda was specific in connection with that crime in his statement and stated that the couple had been murdered by Dragan Bozic from a sniper rifle. Herenda even described the spot from which Bozic killed them.

[joan]

"How can you people be so heartless?"

We aren't heartless, we just don't fall for the propaganda. As you can see from my post above: that couple was murdered by the terrorist group Seve, not the Serbs.

The propagandists falsely blaming the Serbs are practically war criminals themselves.

Doesn't it make you wonder just how much propaganda and lies you and millions of others have fallen for? You were totally fooled and totally wrong on that incident. Totally.

You blame the Serbs for an incident without proof. You all have blamed the Serbs for something they didn't do.

When the hell are you going to apologize? When is the major newmedia going to come clean with all their lies and coverup of what the Muslims and Croats did to Serbs and each other?

[vooch]

joan,

quick wasting your breath on a-turk.......he is clearly a fanatci supporter of islamist Mujhadeen Warriors......

[a_Turk]

he is clearly a fanatci supporter of islamist Mujhadeen Warriors

Rubbish.

[a_Turk]

I ask myself. If what you say is true, and propaganda has gotten the best of us, then would it be fair to assume that it (propaganda getting the best of us) has only been happening for the past ten years? Could that have been going on for centuries?

[Mortimer Snavely]

"....he is clearly a fanatci supporter of islamist Mujhadeen Warriors..."

Rubbish.

************

Welcome to the zoo, abi. Take care that you don't step too deep in the horses***.

[a_Turk]

ROFLMAO

But as every comedy has a sad side, these folks really believe this shit!

[rubbertramp]

There's Carnivore, there's Echelon....I read in Popular Mechanics that Big Brother can watch you and hear your conversation from miles in space....yet they can't catch this Bin Laden guy....go figure.

[Voronin]

Thanks for the flag. It all comes back. I feel too old to go through the same cr*p again.

I'm coming to the conclusion that Bin Laden is the sixth (?) member of the Beach Boys. He really gets around! I think there may be a song in there somewhere.

VRN

[mikhailovich]

Well, all I can tell you is the US will use Turk special forces commandos primarily for language gathering into the kill zone if you follow me. They are much superior to N. Alliance fighters and can provide language translation along the way. Smart move Rumsy.

[Pericles]

fyi

[weikel]

He seems secular to me.

[Spar]

Osama Bin Laden Created by the US

. 'Bin Laden is a product of the U.S. spy agencies, according to an article in the Tribune de Genève by Richard Labévière, writer of the book Les dollars de la terreur, les États Unis et les islamistes.

The first contact with Bin Laden was in 1979, when the new graduate from the Univ. of Jedah got in touch with the U.S. embassy in Ankara, Turkey. With the help of the CIA and the U.S. Armed Forces intelligence services he began to organize in the early 1980s and network to raise money and to recruit fighters for the Afghan mujahidins that were fighting the Soviets. He did this from the city of Peshawar in Pakistan, bordering Afghanistan.

Part of these activities were financed with the production and sale of morphine, the base of heroin. This was the beginning of today Al Qaida (the base) network led by Bin Laden. Indeed the chickens are coming home to roost for the CIA and U.S. bosses.

[Destro]

Chechnya rebuilds — from Turkey Russia's rebels find that, to reestablish government, telephone service is a must

By THOMAS GOLTZ

ISTANBUL — A handful of Chechen and "Chechenized" bureaucrats are working against the clock to cement commercial and political ties between the breakaway Russian republic and the rest of the world. What's unusual is that they're doing so here — from a three-story Turkish villa in the wooded heights above the Bosporus.

Istanbul has become the de facto, if not de jure, seat of government of Chechnya. Now that the guns are silent, Checnya's leaders hope to move as quickly as possible from being a guerrilla movement to becoming a functioning government — and to do that, working telephones are needed. Istanbul has got them; Grozny, the official Chechnyan capital, does not.

"Qatar is on the phone," shouts a secretary, and Mansour Jachimczyk interrupts a conversation with an American woman in New York who specializes in "negotiation deadlock" to take the call from the Gulf, slipping from English into Russian and then into his native Polish before going back to English again.

Krakow-born but Muslim-convert Jachimczyk is a man of many languages and many titles. His business card reads "Secretary General of the International Roundtable for the Reconstruction of Chechnya, Peace in the Caucasus and Democracy in Russia and Chief Advisor to the Government of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria on Foreign Affairs and International Relations."

"One of our major projects right now is to create sister-city relationships between Grozny and other Chechen towns with major cities in Europe, the Middle East, Japan and America," Mansour explains. "Thus, if war resumes, there will be a ready network in place to protest to a number of different governments."

A renewal of war appears, for the moment at least, unlikely. Up to 20,000 Russian troops have left the battle-scarred republic while the pro-independence rebels are slowly establishing complete control of Grozny, the capital. Still, Grozny, and much of the rest of Chechnya, has been devastated. Communications from Grozny have been completely destroyed.

Meanwhile, "consulates" have been established in a score of foreign capitals, with most of the "ambassadorships" having been appointed from the Istanbul office to devoted supporters of the Chechen cause like Mansour. A series of conferences bringing together scholars, human-rights activists and politicians are also in the works. One was already held in Istanbul; the next is planned for Warsaw in December, then Tokyo, London and Washington in the spring of 1997.

The minister of foreign affairs, Rouslan Chimaev, and the minister of health, Dr. Umar Hambiev, make Istanbul the main seat of their activities, while other high-ranking officials in the Chechen government come and go with frequency. The equivalent of the head office of the Chechen information and news service is now based in Istanbul as well.

The mansion overlooking the Bosporus is also the occasional domicile of Alla Dudayev, the Russian-born widow of the late president of Chechnya, Djokhar Dudayev, who still remains the most resonant symbol of Chechen resistance to Russian rule in the breakaway republic. "My husband was only one of many, many martyrs who died for Chechen independence," says Mrs. Dudayev. "Our task now is to make sure their deaths were not in vain."

Another reason for the Chechnya-Istanbul connection is that Istanbul is a friendly venue for a government not recognized by anyone else in the world. Not only is public opinion in mainly Muslim Turkey squarely on the side of the Chechens, but the city is home to a large and very active diaspora community who emigrated from Chechnya to the Ottoman Empire during the 19th century.

"I think we can be proud of our contribution to the Chechen struggle over the past few years," says Fazil Ozen, chairman of the Chechen Solidarity Committee in Istanbul, which has funneled millions of dollars (and not a few fighting men) into Chechnya since 1994.

Communication between Istanbul and Grozny, however, remain problematic. While satellite telephone links are possible (the Soviet-era telephone system was bombed to bits during the war), physically getting in and out of Chechnya still requires sneaking in and out, often over the mountains. "It is pretty tough going sometimes, especially if you are carrying a lot of luggage," says minister of health Dr. Hambiev, dressed in a black suit and looking more like a banker than a front-line surgeon, which he was during the war.

Meanwhile, multi-lingual Mansour Jachimczyk is back on the mobile telephone, making last minute arrangements for Foreign Minister Chimaev's trip to France, which, he hopes, will be the first country to officially recognize Chechnya as an independent state. Israel and Poland are the other chief candidates for that honor.

"Someday, I will slow down and be able to go home and build my house, as planned," he says, reaching for his attaché case and heading for the Mercedes waiting outside the door.

Where is that?

"Chechnya."

Thomas Goltz, a long-time foreign correspondent, was a finalist for the Rory Peck Prize for his documentary on the town of Samashki in Chechnya, which was broadcast on PBS in 1996. His book on Azerbaijan, "Requiem for a Would-Be Republic," will be re-issued by ME Sharpe (USA) early next year.

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