The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [8th Revision]
Free Republic, et al | 2001-10-19 | Junior, et al.

Posted on 10/19/2001 11:19:12 AM PDT by Junior

The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource v. 8.0 Burning up the threads since June 1999 Must See Sites: The Complete Idiot's Guide To Understanding Evolution WHAT IS EVOLUTION?
Working Theory of Evolution (Physicist)
At some finite time in the past, life began somehow. (How it began is beyond the scope of the theory, but the observational evidence strongly suggests that only one such beginning on Earth has left descendants to the present day.) As life reproduces and multiplies, mutations occur with small but finite probabilities, causing new genes to be added, and creating new alleles of existing genes. The different alleles confer different traits upon their owners, rendering them more or less successful in coping with their environments. The organisms that are more successful in coping with their environments consequently have a slightly greater probability of passing their genes to the next generation of organisms than do the less successful organisms. This causes allele frequencies to change over time. Because mutations are random according to their probabilities, there is essentially a zero probability that two non-interbreeding populations will get the same set of mutations. (Even if they somehow do, there is essentially a zero probability that the frequencies of the alleles will end up the same in both populations.) The alleles and new genes available in each population will therefore diverge, with the result that the populations become genetically more distant from each other over time. Eventually, the two populations will become genetically so distant that they lose the ability to produce viable hybrids between them. This is the cause of the origin of species.
Working Theory of Creation
God did it. 'Nuf said.
Contents
Alphabetical Index of Linked Sites Astronomy Links Catastrophism Links Dating Links Darwinian Roots of Nazism, Communism, etc., Links Extinct Fauna Links Free Republic Creation vs. Evolution Threads FrontPageMag.com Galileo Links	General Creation Links General Evolution Links Hominid Links Irreducible Complexity Links Kent Hovind Links Michael Behe Links National Center for Science Education Origins Links Players, The Physics and Math Links Speciation Links	Talk.Origins Thermodynamics Links Transitional Fossil Links "Weird" Theories, Miscellaneous Young Earth Links Appendix I: The Current List of Evolution Deniers (PatrickHenry) Appendix II: Evolutionists (gore3000) Appendix III: Evolutionist's Guide to Creationist Language (PatrickHenry) Appendix IV: Karl's List of Creationist Tactics

Alphabetical Index of Linked Sites

Kronia

Astronomy Links

The Current State of Creation Astronomy

Catastrophism Links

Dating Links

Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective

Darwinian Roots of Nazism, Communism, etc., Links

Extinct Fauna Links

Free Republic Creation vs. Evolution Threads

By Name

By Date

(1999-06-25) Essay #5: Sources of Knowledge (What is a Competent Source?)
(1999-06-28) Essay #6: Conclusion: Corruption, Truth and the Future of Free Republic
(1999-07-26) Inherit The Spin: Creation Evolution
(1999-08-27) U.S. society harbors faction devoted to ignoring science
(1999-10-12) Creationism in Schools - A Poll
(1999-10-14) Downside Legacy on Evolution
(1999-10-16) Teacher wants to debunk evolution in school
(1999-10-16) Weinberg's Big Bang Presuppositions? Or, No Science Without Intelligent Design?
(1999-10-19) COMPARING ORIGINS BELIEF AND MORAL VIEWS
(1999-10-21) SIGNS OF INTELLIGENCE: A Primer on the Discerment of Intelligent Design
(1999-10-23) Aquinas and the Big Bang
(1999-10-27) Johnson Challenges Advocates of Evolution
(1999-10-27) Ridiculing Kansas school board easy, but it's not good journalism
(1999-10-28) Wedge: Breaking the Modernist Monopoly on Science, The
(1999-10-29) Archaeology DOES prove The Bible is accurate
(1999-10-29) Evolution, Creation, First Amendment Subject of Roundtable
(1999-11-04) EVOLUTION: interview with Stephen J Gould
(1999-11-05) Freeper Poll: "Evolution" of Opinions on FreeRepublic
(1999-11-06) Arthur C. Clark's Views on Creationism
(1999-11-07) Friendly Origins Debate, The
(1999-11-07) Isaac Asimov's Views on Creationism
(1999-11-09) Open Letter from Smithsonian to Nat. Geo. Society on Dino-Bird Claims
(1999-11-10) Evolution versus Science
(1999-11-14) Anti-Evolutionist Michael Denton turns into an Evolutionist
(1999-11-14) CREATIONISM'S SUCCESS PAST 5 YEARS: (Gallup: 1 in 10 hold secular evolutionist perspective)
(1999-11-16) Funeral of a Great Myth ('Popular' Evolutionism), The
(1999-11-17) Tower of Babel: The Evidence against the New Creationism [Book Review]
(1999-11-20) Belief in Evolution drove Hitler to what the Nazi's did!!
(1999-11-22) ALL FORMS OF SCIENCE DESIGNED FOR DISCUSSION
(1999-11-23) Is the raqiya‘ (firmament) a solid dome?
(1999-11-24) Carbon-14 and the Age of the Earth
(1999-11-24) Creation Humor All FReepers Will Enjoy :-)
(1999-11-25) ANOTHER MASSIVE ANTI-CREATIONISM MEGA SITE (LINKS LINKS LINKS)
(1999-11-25) Logophobia: Eric Voegelin on SCIENTISM
(1999-11-28) ANOTHER MASSIVE ANTI-CREATIONISM MEGA SITE (Thread 2)
(1999-11-30) ANOTHER MASSIVE ANTI-CREATIONISM MEGA SITE (Thread 3)
(1999-12-08) Darwin's Hostages
(1999-12-12) U. of Kansas Opening Convocation (re: evolution, creation, darwin)
(1999-12-14) Creation Ex Nihilo 22(1)
(1999-12-14) Macro-Evolution versus Moses (Several Parts)
(1999-12-30) Science Hasn't Killed God
(2000-01-09) Lawyers defend teaching of intelligent-design theory
(2000-01-10) Belief in Evolution made Hitler do what he did
(2000-01-10) On Drawing Connections Between Darwinism & Communism
(2000-01-12) FLOWER of EVOLUTION, THE; the instruction set by mutation speculation
(2000-01-12) On Drawing Connections Between Darwinism & Communism [Thread Two]
(2000-01-12) On Drawing Connections Between Darwinism & Communism [Thread Three]
(2000-01-17) In Defense of Evolution
(2000-01-18) Cloned Intelligence the Key to Immortality
(2000-01-18) "Feathered Dinosaur" Claim Apparently a Fake
(2000-01-18) Science and Religion are Compatible
(2000-01-21) Case Study in a "Great" Anti-Creationist Article, A
(2000-01-21) Dealing With "Scientific" Creationists
(2000-01-21) Thermodynamics vs. Evolutionism
(2000-01-22) 20 Questions for Evolutionists
(2000-01-23) Punctuate The Equilibrium Now!!! Creation, Evolution - a new thread
(2000-02-02) An Issue That Won't Go Away (C/E vanity/notes)
(2000-02-02) "Scientific Creationism," Evolution, and Race
(2000-02-04) High Priest of Evolution Reveals His Religion
(2000-02-04) Scientists find fossils of man's earliest ancestor
(2000-02-05) Is Quantum Evolution The New Science Of Life?
(2000-02-09) What is the Connection Between Homosexuality and Evolution?
(2000-02-10) Beware Evolutionists!
(2000-02-11) National Geographic and the Stone Age Swindle
(2000-02-17) Why God can't exist
(2000-02-18) Feathers fly over Chinese fossil bird's legality and authenticity
(2000-02-18) Science vs. Science
(2000-02-23) Dinosaur Pictures: NOT A HOAX
(2000-02-28) Pitfalls of Evolutionary Anthropology
(2000-02-29) Dr. Jack Cuozzo responds to Dr. Colin Groves (neanderthal)
(2000-02-29) *Please* Use Extreme Caution In Messing With the Speed of Light -- Perils of CDK
(2000-03-02) Archaeoraptor hoax update (National Geographic recants)
(2000-03-02) Meteorite study finds no trace of life on Mars
(2000-03-03) Creation and the Candidates
(2000-03-08) Former NASA Scientist Says Creation is "Logical"
(2000-03-11) Origin of the Specious: Why do neoconservatives doubt Darwin?
(2000-03-16) Magic of Evolutionary Speciation, The
(2000-03-17) Darwin's Dirty Secret
(2000-03-22) POPE'S TAKE ON "EVOLUTION," THE
(2000-03-24) Summary of Creation ex Nihilo, 22:2
(2000-03-25) These fists were made for walking [Our Pre-Human Ancestors]
(2000-03-27) Darwinism Science or Religion? -- after reading Darwin on Trial
(2000-03-29) Creationist Instructor Likely Will Lose His Job
(2000-04-02) Magic of Evolutionary Speciation, The Part II
(2000-04-02) Tornado in a Junkyard: Another nail in Evolutions Coffin
(2000-04-05) Mere Creation: Science, Faith and Intelligent Design
(2000-04-07) Discovery Institute: So-called 'Evolution vs. Creation' Issue Banned
(2000-04-11) Magic of Evolutionary Speciation, The Part III
(2000-04-18) SCIENCE & CREATIONISM: Frequently Asked Questions
(2000-04-27) NASA shows new 'baby pictures' images of infant Universe
(2000-05-01) NASA shows new 'baby pictures' images of infant Universe [Thread II]
(2000-05-03) Stone tools hold new clues about human evolution
(2000-05-07) Black holes in space don't support evolution
(2000-05-07) Evidence for Human Evolution, The [Creationism Debunked!]
(2000-05-07) New evidence: Lucy was a knuckle-walker
(2000-05-07) Universe (or should that be the 'Big Bang [Theory]?') falls flat!
(2000-05-08) Fossil Pollen in Grand Canyon Overturns Plant Evolution
(2000-05-08) Radioactive Dating Gives False Dates
(2000-05-08) Recently Found "Ape-men" Are Nothing More Than Apes, regardless of media-hype
(2000-05-09) Evidence for Human Evolution, The [Creationism Debunked!] Thread 2
(2000-05-09) False Evolutionary Propaganda Blasted in Media
(2000-05-09) Isotope Dating Methods Found Flawed
(2000-05-09) Teacher calls student "ignorant" for believing in Creation!
(2000-05-11) Radioactive Age Estimation Methods - FLAWED
(2000-05-13) Evidence for Human Evolution, The [Creationism Debunked!] Thread 3
(2000-05-13) New Cosmology Theory Shows Universe 6,000 YRS OLD!
(2000-05-14) Fossil Record: Becoming More Random All the Time, The
(2000-05-14) Noah's Flood and the Mount Isa Metal Deposits
(2000-05-14) Rock Layers Formed in Hours not Millions of Years!
(2000-05-15) Forbidden Archeology - Human Remains All Throughout the Geologic Column, The
(2000-05-16) Bad News for Radiometric Dating
(2000-05-17) COMPUTER MODELING OF THE LARGE-SCALE TECTONICS ASSOCIATED WITH THE GENESIS FLOOD
(2000-05-17) Computer Models of Evolution
(2000-05-17) EARTH'S MAGNETIC FIELD IS YOUNG, THE
(2000-05-17) Genesis correctly predicts Y-Chromosome pattern: Jews and Arabs shown to be descendants of one man!
(2000-05-18) Evolution Is Biologically Impossible
(2000-05-18) Speciation Conference Brings Good News for Creationists
(2000-05-19) Loopholes in the evolutionary theory of the origin of life: Summary
(2000-05-19) Myth of Chemical Evolution, The
(2000-05-28) Getting Genesis Almost Right: Pagan Children of the Sky God
(2000-06-02) Rule by Secrecy: The Hidden History of the Trilateral Commission, Freemasons, & the Great Pyramids
(2000-06-05) Scientists At The Weizmann Institute Propose A New Theory To The Mystery Of The Origin Of Life
(2000-06-07) Harvard M.D. Challenges Big Bang Theory
(2000-06-10) Great Creation/Evolution Debate, The
(2000-06-14) Great Creation/Evolution Debate, The (Thread II)
(2000-06-19) Great Creation/Evolution Debate, The (Thread III)
(2000-07-10) Truth about the Scopes Trial, The
(2000-07-18) Monkey Trial Marks 75th Anniversary
(2000-07-26) Evolution debate heats up Kansas politics
(2000-08-24) Reasons to Believe: The Argument from Design
(2000-08-24) Reason to Believe: The Argument from Design (II)
(2000-08-26) Hard Evidence Shows Life Could Have Evolved Naturally
(2000-08-27) Reasons to Believe: The Argument from Design (Thread III)
(2000-08-27) Skin color is regional adaptation, scientists say
(2000-08-30) Evil-Ution
(2000-09-06) Christian Roots of Modern Science, The
(2000-09-08) Has Science Replaced God?
(2000-09-13) More Evolution — Movies For Giraffes
(2000-09-18) World of Design, The
(2000-09-19) Dirty Little Secret of Evolution, The
(2000-09-27) States graded on evolution education
(2000-09-28) Prions May Play Crucial Role In Evolution
(2000-10-01) 20 WAYS THE WORLD COULD END
(2000-10-02) God and the academy
(2000-10-02) States Graded on Evolution Education (Thread II)
(2000-10-07) T-Rex times 5! Found in Montana
(2000-10-08) Another jolt for evolution theory
(2000-10-09) "GOD" Part of the Brain, The
(2000-10-10) Another Lost Generation?
(2000-10-12) Intelligent Design: The New Stealth Creationism
(2000-10-18) Bacteria brought back to life after 250 million years
(2000-10-25) Did Life Drip Down From Earth's Ancient Atmosphere
(2000-10-25) Origin of Information, The
(2000-11-15) Evolutionism Receives Another Hard Blow
(2000-11-17) "The Evolution of Genocide" -- Darwin's Heart of Darkness
(2000-11-28) Looking for Madam Tetrachromat
(2000-12-03) Lynching of Bill Dembski, The
(2000-12-20) Fossilized Proteins Help With History Of Evolution
(2000-12-30) Divine Design
(2000-12-31) Divine Design (Thread II)
(2001-01-03) Divine Design (Thread III)
(2001-01-13) Christian Understanding of Intelligent Design, A
(2001-01-14) "E" is for Evolution; "F" is for Fordham
(2001-01-15) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God"
(2001-01-16) Hominid Succession, The
(2001-01-17) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 2)
(2001-01-17) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 3)
(2001-01-18) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 4)
(2001-01-19) BIOLOGISTS UNCOVER DARWIN’S ‘MISSING EVIDENCE’ FOR DIVERGENCE OF SPECIES IN A WARBLER’S SONG
(2001-01-19) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 5)
(2001-01-19) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 6)
(2001-01-22) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 7)
(2001-01-23) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 8)
(2001-01-23) Other Earths: Are They Out There ???
(2001-01-25) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 9)
(2001-01-26) Our Biotech Future
(2001-01-28) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 10)
(2001-01-29) Is evolution "anti-religion"? It depends...
(2001-01-30) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 11)
(2001-02-03) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 12)
(2001-02-04) Evolution of Genocide, The
(2001-02-07) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 13)
(2001-02-13) Evolution Theory Faces Extinction
(2001-02-13) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 14)
(2001-02-14) IN RESPONSE TO ALL THE EVOLUTION VS. CREATION THREADS....
(2001-02-14) Kansas School Board in Topeka votes to ignore valid scientific doubts on evolution in 7-3 decision
(2001-02-14) Why Bad Beliefs Don't Die
(2001-02-15) Anti-E's Face Arrest for Lawyering Without a License
(2001-02-17) Evolution vs. Creation - "The Living Word Of God" (Thread 15)
(2001-02-21) Case Against Darwin, The
(2001-02-22) Case Against Darwin, The (Thread III)
(2001-02-22) CREVO & Politics: Dark Bedfellows - Postmoderns & Traditionalists Unite Against The Enlightenment
(2001-02-22) 'Darwin vindicated!' - Cracking of human genome confirms theory of evolution
(2001-02-23) How scientific is evolution?
(2001-02-26) Dawkins Leads Atheist Revolt Against 'Evil' Church Schools
(2001-02-27) How scientific is evolution? (Thread 2)
(2001-02-28) Evolution vs. Creation (Prediction 8)
(2001-03-01) Freeper Only Poll. Do you believe in Evolution or Creation?
(2001-03-03) What is the Singularity?
(2001-03-06) Phillip Johnson was Right: The Unhappy Evolution of Darwinism
(2001-03-07) Problematic Chemical Postulates of the RNA World Scenario
(2001-03-08) "You Have Ten Minutes to Prove The Existence of God to My Husband"
(2001-03-09) Natural selection drives rapid evolution...Irrefutable evidence
(2001-03-09) Natural selection drives rapid evolution...Irrefutable evidence Thread Two
(2001-03-13) Natural selection drives rapid evolution...Irrefutable evidence Thread Three
(2001-03-15) Road to Saturn, The
(2001-03-16) 29 Evidences for Macroevolution (9 & 10)
(2001-03-17) All Aboard the Meteor Express of Life
(2001-03-20) 29 Evidences for Macroevolution (11 & 12)
(2001-03-20) Questions for Evolutionists
(2001-03-21) Arkansas Legislative Panel Urges Evolution Ban
(2001-03-21) Scientists Discover Second Genus of Early Human
(2001-03-22) Panel labels evolution as theory
(2001-03-25) How scientific is evolution? (Thread 3)
(2001-03-25) Is "Flat-Faced Man" Your Ancestor? (new thread)
(2001-03-28) 29 Evidences for Macroevolution (13 & 14)
(2001-03-28) Darwin's Influence on Ruthless Laissez-Faire Capitalism
(2001-03-28) Does a global flood make the whole Bible less credible?
(2001-03-29) 'Piltdown' bird fake explained
(2001-03-31) Enlisting Science to Find the Fingerprints of a Creator
(2001-04-02) 29 Evidences for Macroevolution, Thread The Next
(2001-04-03) Wonder of the Eye, could only have been a creation by God, The
(2001-04-07) 29 Evidences for Macroevolution (17 and 18)
(2001-04-07) DNA and Darwin: Research shows that evolution repeats itself in Caribbean lizards
(2001-04-07) Evolutionists Battle New Theory on Creation
(2001-04-07) Evolutionists Battle New Theory on Creation (Different Thread)
(2001-04-10) Before the Big Bang
(2001-04-10) Do You Believe in Evolution?
(2001-04-10) Virus in DNA 'is cause of mental illness'
(2001-04-11) Computers that Improve Themselves
(2001-04-17) Redheads 'are neanderthal'
(2001-04-21) Study Indicates Europeans Descended From Only Hundreds of Africans
(2001-04-21) WHY EVOLUTION IS WRONG
(2001-04-23) How closely related are humans to apes and other animals?
(2001-04-24) Do You Believe in Evolution? Thread Two
(2001-04-24) Evolution vs. Intelligent Design
(2001-04-24) How closely related are humans to apes and other animals? [Thread 2]
(2001-04-25) How closely related are humans to apes and other animals? [Thread 3]
(2001-04-25) New Dinosaur Fossil Ruffles Feathers
(2001-04-26) Historical Evidence Refuting a 6,000-Year Old Earth
(2001-04-27) Historical Evidence Refuting a 6,000-Year Old Earth (Thread II)
(2001-05-01) Possible Key Step In The Origin Of Life Identified
(2001-05-02) Possible Key Step In The Origin Of Life Identified -- Thread II
(2001-05-04) Louisiana calls Darwin a racist
(2001-05-07) Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution
(2001-05-08) Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution [Thread 2]
(2001-05-09) Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution [Thread 3]
(2001-05-09) House rejects effort to brand Darwin a racist
(2001-05-12) Oppressed by Evolution (Long)
(2001-05-14) Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution [Thread 4]
(2001-05-14) Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution [Thread 5]
(2001-05-16) Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution [Thread 6]
(2001-05-17) Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution [Thread 7]
(2001-05-18) Study Offers Insights Into Evolutionary Origins Of Life -- Life created in a test tube
(2001-05-19) Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution [Thread 8]
(2001-05-20) 29 Evidences for Macroevolution - #19, 20, 21
(2001-05-24) 29 Evidences for Macroevolution - #22, 23, 24
(2001-05-25) Researchers Discover Fossil Of Tiny Mammal From Early Jurassic
(2001-05-26) 30 PROOFS & PREDICTIONS OF CREATIONISM/I.D. #1, #2, #3
(2001-05-27) Creationism & Darwinism, Politics & Economics
(2001-05-28) Creationism & Darwinism, Politics & Economics THREAD II
(2001-05-29) Creationism & Darwinism, Politics & Economics THREAD III
(2001-06-09) Bye Bye Darwin
(2001-06-09) Bye Bye Darwin [Part II]
(2001-06-09) Bye Bye Darwin [Part III]
(2001-06-11) Does Evolution Rule Out God's Existence?
(2001-06-12) Bye Bye Darwin [Thread IV]
(2001-06-14) Bye Bye Darwin [Thread V]
(2001-06-15) Bye Bye Darwin [Thread VI]
(2001-06-17) Bye Bye Darwin - Thread VII
(2001-06-18) Two New Dinosaurs Found, Including Odd Plant-Eater
(2001-06-18) Were Adam and Eve Toast?
(2001-06-19) Bye Bye Darwin (Thread VIII)
(2001-06-19) Bye Bye Darwin (Thread IX)
(2001-06-23) Bye Bye Darwin [Thread X]
(2001-06-23) Plagiarized Errors and Molecular Genetics
(2001-06-27) Stealth Creationist Lang. Snuck into Senate Ed. Bill [my title] Thread II
(2001-06-30) FOSSIL RECORD: EVOLUTION OR "SCIENTIFIC CREATION," THE
(2001-07-01) FOSSIL RECORD: EVOLUTION OR "SCIENTIFIC CREATION," THE Thread II
(2001-07-03) EVOLUTION - The basis of all life, or a fairy tale for scientists who reject God?
(2001-07-04) FOSSIL RECORD: EVOLUTION OR "SCIENTIFIC CREATION," THE Thread III
(2001-07-06) FOSSIL RECORD: EVOLUTION OR "SCIENTIFIC CREATION," THE Thread IV
(2001-07-07) Descent of Man Theory: Disproved by Molecular Biology
(2001-07-07) Evolution fraud in current biology textbooks
(2001-07-08) FOSSIL RECORD: EVOLUTION OR "SCIENTIFIC CREATION," THE Thread V
(2001-07-08) God vs. Darwin: Survival of the Fittest? (Alan Keyes)
(2001-07-09) Evidence for Dinosaur-Bird Transition, The (A Sidebar Thread)
(2001-07-11) Origin of Sex: Cosmic Solution to Ancient Mystery, The
(2001-07-14) Evolution and the family: Keyes
(2001-07-15) One Giant Step for Mankind (Evolution alert)
(2001-07-19) Effect of Darwinism on Morality and Christianity, The
(2001-07-19) Evolution is Religion-Not Science
(2001-07-19) Scientific Case Against Evolution: A Summary, The Part I
(2001-07-19) Scientific Case Against Evolution: A Summary, The Part II
(2001-07-20) Ancient fossils suggest fuse for Cambrian explosion
(2001-07-23) Boneyard of dead 20th Century Theories II
(2001-07-31) Supercomputer May Unlock Secrets of Universe
(2001-07-31) Why the Big Bang is Wrong
(2001-08-01) Eat the Poor
(2001-08-01) More Problems for Evolution: RNA World Theory Doesn't Hold Up
(2001-08-03) Scientists pick holes in Darwinian Peppered Moth Theory
(2001-08-07) First light: astronomers use distant quasar to probe cosmic 'dark age,' universe origins
(2001-08-09) Creation and the curriculum czars: Jon Dougherty looks at evolution's classroom monopoly
(2001-08-11) Evolution Debate is about Honesty, The
(2001-08-14) MONKEY BUSINESS: THE NEW REVOLUTION AGAINST EVOLUTION
(2001-08-15) New Details on Planetary Crash That Created Moon
(2001-08-16) Creation/Evolution Debate: SOLVED!
(2001-08-16) Enlisting Science to Find the Fingerprints of a Creator (Different Thread)
(2001-08-17) Exploring God (Creator)'s Handiwork (Creation) vs. silly-science.
(2001-08-17) Liberal School Board Wins Fight Against the Truth
(2001-08-19) Exploring God (Creator)'s Handiwork (Creation) vs. ugly-vain-silly science (evilution)
(2001-08-20) Science vs. Antiscience [Creation "Science" Exposed!]
(2001-08-20) Scientific Case Against Evolution, The
(2001-08-21) Evolution Is In Trouble: What Should Conservatives Do About it?
(2001-08-21) Professor Sir Fred Hoyle [obituary]
(2001-08-22) Darwinism in denial? battle brewing between Darwinian materialism and Intelligent Design movement
(2001-08-22) Science vs. Antiscience [Creation "Science" Exposed!] Thread 2
(2001-08-23) ‘Intelligent Design’ Theory Is Not Creationism
(2001-08-23) MARVEL OF GOD'S CREATION: The Bombardier Beetle
(2001-08-24) African elephants are now one of two kinds [Elephant Evolution]
(2001-08-24) EVOLUTION IS RELIGION
(2001-08-24) Satellites search for Noah’s Ark
(2001-08-26) MARVEL OF GOD'S CREATION: The Incubator Bird
(2001-08-26) One hundred years of Evolution Progress
(2001-08-26) Scientific Account of the Origin of Life on Earth, A
(2001-08-27) Top Ten Problems with the Big Bang
(2001-08-28) "Evolution": 8-hour PBS Series to Air This Fall
(2001-08-28) In the stars: Astrological Institute wins accreditation
(2001-08-29) How Not to Defend Evolution
(2001-08-29) PART 8: ILLUMINATI COVER-UP - PROOF: BIBLE IS FACT!
(2001-08-30) Atheism is Dead
(2001-08-30) Scientific Account of the Origin of Life on Earth, A (Thread 2)
(2001-08-31) Humanity’s Greatest Calamity: An Ancient Flood Changed the Course of Civilization
(2001-09-03) Study Says Americas Settled 15,000 Years Ago
(2001-09-04) Creation Science
(2001-09-05) Brain Circuitry Involved in Language Reveals Differences in Man, Non-Human Primates
(2001-09-05) New Evidence for Multiregional Origins
(2001-09-06) New Evidence of Early Humans Unearthed in Russia's North
(2001-09-06) Secret To Earth's "Big Chill" Found In Underground Water
(2001-09-13) Brain imaging study sheds light on moral decision-making
(2001-09-18) CHEERED BY BIGOTS, SCIENTIFIC INDIA TAKES 'GIANT LEAP BACKWARDS'
(2001-09-20) Saving Us from Darwin [Multiple Book Review]
(2001-09-23) PBS series on evolution tiptoes over tough issues, ignores others
(2001-09-24) Evolution: A Series on PBS tonight
(2001-09-25) There is no religious bias in the PBS Evolution Project because Ken Miller says there isn’t.
(2001-09-25) Why Stephen Jay Gould is bad for Creationism
(2001-09-26) 100 Scientists, National Poll Challenge Darwinism
(2001-09-27) Leaked PBS Memo Reveals Improper Political Agenda
(2001-09-30) Atheism of the Gaps, The
(2001-10-01) Black Sea findings support Biblical legends of floods
(2001-10-02) Scientists Find No Genetic Evidence for Evolution
(2001-10-03) Science Shows Cave Art Developed Early
(2001-10-04) True Believer - A Timely Book, The
(2001-10-05) Prayer doubles IVF success rate
(2001-10-05) Real Ideological Root of Terrorism-DARWINISM AND MATERIALISM, The
(2001-10-07) Creationists wrong Again
(2001-10-08) Gravitational lens helps Hubble and Keck discover galaxy building block
(2001-10-14) Victory From Space: This is no time for science to retreat; it must attack
(2001-10-17) Antarctic Seafloor Core Suggests Earth's Orbital Oscillations May Be The Key To What Controlled Ice
(2001-10-17) 911 Rang Again - A review of the PBS Video Series Evolution
(2001-10-17) Giant Rat Problem
(2001-10-18) Report: Sex Helps U.S. Ditch Bad Genetic Baggage

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Appendix I: The Current List of Evolution Deniers (PatrickHenry)

All-or-nothing perfectionists: Those who point to one imprecisely classified fossil, and declare that it's all a confused mess.
Ape Ancestry Revulsionists: "There ain't no ape in my family tree." or "I ain't no kin to no monkey nohow!"
Battlestar Galactica Buffs: Those who insist that aliens in UFOs are a better explanation than evolution.
Certainty Fetishists: Those who can't stand the way science grows in understanding, and revises its theories to accommodate new data, declaring: "The experts used to say that man is X years old, now they say he's X+Y years old; so they keep changing their minds and don't know anything!"
Conspiracy Believers: Those who have heard about Piltdown Man, and who declare that all the evidence is fake (while refusing to admit that there are far more fraudulent clergymen than data-faking scientists).
DNA Decoders: Those who believe the Deity has written a secret message in our DNA (which, although not yet decoded, provides proof that evolution is false).
Gap artists: Those who actually see the evidence, but who point to the inevitable gaps, and claim that until all gaps are closed (an obvious impossibility), they will refuse to accept any of the evidence that lies between the gaps.
Genesis Uber Alles: Self-explanatory category, and perhaps the most amazing of all. Flat-earthers in spirit, if not in fact.
Jehovah's Disrupters: Those who imagine that God wants them to spam, insult, act-up, flame, and otherwise disrupt these threads.
Just-Don't-Get-It-Gang: Those who were intellectually abused as children, and who now demand: "Show me a dog that changes into a goldfish, and maybe then I'll accept evolution."
My-Cult-Is-Better-Than-Your-Cult Fanatics: Those who insist that that what they call Darwinism is some kind of Satanic cult (revealing that they have no concept of the nature of science).
Platonists: Those who can't accept evolution because they insist that there is a mystical dimension to the universe, and fear that evolution is some evil plot to deny this elusive domain of existence.
Road-To-Hell Rejectionists: Those who see the evidence, but reject it because of an irrational belief that it leads to fascism, socialism, teen pregnancy, the heartbreak of psoriasis, etc.
Stealth-ies: Those who deny evolution as ardently as any creationist, and who endlessly demand that evolution be defended, yet who swear "I'm not a creationist," no matter how obvious it is that they are, and who refuse to explain their own beliefs (because they're creationists-in-the-closet).
Subjunctive Junkies: Those who leap upon standard phrases in scientific papers such as " ... the data would seem to indicate .." and exclaim: "See there! He admits he's just guessing!"
Total-Blankout Boys: Those who simply go blank when the evidence is presented, and deny that any of it exists.
Undistributed Middle Fallacists: Those who believe that (a) most atheists are Darwinists, therefore (b) disproving Darwin=proof of Christianity. What these folks don't realize is that (1) evolution is compatible with everything but the most hyper-literal fundamentalist reading of the Bible, and (2) even if evolution were disproved and Intelligent Design could be proven, that would not prove the truth of Christianity, as the intelligent designer could be the impersonal God of the Deists -- or Zeus or Vishnu or Ahura Mazda or Moloch.

Appendix II: Evolutionists (gore3000)

Acceptionists: Similar to 4, they accept on faith whatever someone with a PHD tells them without question.
Anti-Religionists: These people do not know anything about evolution but are very well versed into misrepresenting the Bible. Often the same as #3.
Atheists: These folk say that evolution has to be true because God cannot exist.
Evaders: They always say that the proof was given somewhere else.
Ignorati: They do not know beans but since someone told them evolution is true, they will say so too.
Knee-Jerkers: These folk will support anything a fellow evolutionist says and attack anything that an anti-evolutionists says - no matter how stupid their position is. They bring a lot of comic relief to these threads.
Linkers: Actually a subdivision of 2, some practice both.
Slimers: They say nothing but just attack anyone that opposes evolution.
Unscientists: This is a strange breed, they know nothing about science but believe themselves to be scientists.

Appendix III: Evolutionist's guide to creationist language (PatrickHenry)

Atheist: One who provides a natural explanation for a physical phenomenon
Coward: One who ignores the rantings of an idiot poster
Dishonest: The use of reason and evidence at the same time
Evidence (of Creationism): Unproven claim based on emotion (which cannot be denied except by "slime")
Evidence (of Evolution): Ignored, but verifiable data based on observation (see "lie")
Faith (Scientific): A vile insult when used in connection with science, as in "it takes faith to believe in evolution"
Faith (Creationist): A splendid intellectual tool, as in "I have faith in the literal truth of Genesis"
Insult: Presenting a valid argument in support of evolution
Lie: Presentation of verifiable evidence for evolution
Marxist (Small "m"): Anyone who rejects creationism
Misrepresentation: Using quotes in their proper context
Proof of Creationism: Nit-picking evolution
Science: An atheist, marxist scam for obtaining grant money to slime creationism
Slime (General, Non-Clintonian): The use of evidence or reason. See also: "slime, Clintonian"
Slime, Clintonian: Presenting devastating evidence which disproves a creationist claim
Theory (Scientific): Wild conjecture (as in "evolution is just a theory")
Theory (Creationist): Rock-solid, undeniable fact (as in "creation theory")

Appendix IV: Karl's List of Creationist Tactics

How you, the creationist, can wage war against evolution:

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The lastest iteration.

1 posted on 10/19/2001 11:19:12 AM PDT by Junior

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Bump.

2 posted on 10/19/2001 11:32:39 AM PDT by Junior

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To: Junior

The Discovery Institute

3 posted on 10/19/2001 11:43:04 AM PDT by Twrch

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Junior, thanks for the staggering list of links on this subject. Think any of the Creationists will read it?

4 posted on 10/19/2001 11:48:08 AM PDT by WRhine

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{yawn}

5 posted on 10/19/2001 11:53:09 AM PDT by newgeezer

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To: Junior

Bookmarked
To much there to go through now.

6 posted on 10/19/2001 1:19:20 PM PDT by Free the USA

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To: Junior

Enough material here for doctoral thesis research. How long did this take you? (I have a prior version bookmarked.)

7 posted on 10/19/2001 2:06:52 PM PDT by stanz

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To: stanz

I created the first iteration a few months ago, and I update it from time to time. My updates usually take less than an hour now.

8 posted on 10/19/2001 2:13:28 PM PDT by Junior

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A good job. I wish I had more time to really get into it. I miss those years of wanton study!

9 posted on 10/19/2001 2:41:50 PM PDT by stanz

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To: Junior

Bump, for another great organizational feat.

10 posted on 10/21/2001 12:50:13 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: WRhine

Think any of the Creationists will read it?

Why? It's not as if an obligation to believe "the truth" exists in a random, meaningless, self-existent universe. And anyone who asserts otherwise has left the scientific ballpark and gone into the subjective realm of morality.

11 posted on 10/21/2001 1:05:25 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator

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bump

12 posted on 10/21/2001 5:33:09 PM PDT by nimdoc

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To: Junior

Wow! I am impressed!

That must have taken a lot of time and effort to compile all of this. I may disagree with you Junior, but you have done a great job here.

Now, with that said....... I don't think I'm in the crevo list. Any way, a little history.

To: keats5 & JBS (post #25)

Proof of evolution? Let's see... mitochondrial DNA, the cheetah and the "bottleneck effect", carbon dating of fossils and skeletal remains.
No, you "E" folks NEVER do address the cheetah.
Todays biologists and 'animal saviors' will swear that "Too small of a population, and the animal group will go extinct."
(Is this not true?)
Yet, "E" people will say that just a mutation will give a couple of breeding pairs that will then grow into a stable population.
There are ONLY two choices:
1. the biologists are wrong, or.........
2. the "Evolutionists"
Come on boys: fight it out.

88 posted on 9/28/01 5:50 PM Pacific by Elsie
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Do any of you NEW guys have any answers? The regulars ignore this.

13 posted on 10/22/2001 4:56:10 AM PDT by Elsie

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No, you "E" folks NEVER do address the cheetah.

Todays biologists and 'animal saviors' will swear that "Too small of a population, and the animal group will go extinct."

(Is this not true?)

Yet, "E" people will say that just a mutation will give a couple of breeding pairs that will then grow into a stable population.

The answer to this is pretty straightforward, actually. Think of your typical boy meets girl scenario. Boy is born with mutation. Boy meets girl without mutation. Boy kisses girl, Boy falls in love with Girl, Boy marries Girl, and has lots of little kids. Boy's mutation gets passed on to a certain percentage of his offspring. If that mutation is more advantageous than others, those offspring will meet more girls and they will make babies, and those offspring will make more, and so on and so forth. Since the DNA of an individual is an amalgamation of the two parents, some, but not all, of the kids will have the mutation, and if it is a good mutation, the kids with it will outhunt and outlive the siblings without it. Thus, at some critical generation, the offspring with the mutation will outnumber the ones without it. As there are a number of mutations out there the successful mutations can get together and have more kids than the unsuccessful ones.

Speciation seems to be defined to occur when enough mutations occur so that when boy meets girl, it turns out that boy is so genetically different than girl that they can't procreate. It's a nice finite boundary, even though it isn't always followed.

14 posted on 10/22/2001 11:53:09 AM PDT by ThinkPlease

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Well, you've reiterated the 'standard' position, but did NOT answer the question.

Boy meets girls my ass. Why do we have LAWS against marrying of first cousins? Why is INCEST taboo in ALL cultures? (ARKANSAS given a pass)

Here is some fine print from above.........

Working Theory of Evolution (Physicist)

At some finite time in the past, life began somehow. (How it began is beyond the scope of the theory, but the observational evidence strongly suggests that only one such beginning on Earth has left descendants to the present day.) As life reproduces and multiplies, mutations occur with small but finite probabilities, causing new genes to be added, and creating new alleles of existing genes. The different alleles confer different traits upon their owners, rendering them more or less successful in coping with their environments. The organisms that are more successful in coping with their environments consequently have a slightly greater probability of passing their genes to the next generation of organisms than do the less successful organisms. This causes allele frequencies to change over time.

Because mutations are random according to their probabilities, there is essentially a zero probability that two non-interbreeding populations will get the same set of mutations. (Even if they somehow do, there is essentially a zero probability that the frequencies of the alleles will end up the same in both populations.) The alleles and new genes available in each population will therefore diverge, with the result that the populations become genetically more distant from each other over time. Eventually, the two populations will become genetically so distant that they lose the ability to produce viable hybrids between them. This is the cause of the origin of species.

Working Theory of Creation

God did it. 'Nuf said.

15 posted on 10/22/2001 2:08:16 PM PDT by Elsie

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(This is a tidbit from --> http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s40791.htm Just one of many when you type cheetah extinction in the GOOGLE search block)

So the evidence seems clear that they are very inbred. But why do some scientists think that cheetahs were reduced to a population of less than seven individuals, about 10,000 to 12,000 years ago.
(can you say NOAH!? I thought you could.........)

They think less than seven individuals, because it has been shown that if a population is reduced to seven individuals and then expands quickly, the offspring still retain about 95% of their genetic variability. But cheetahs have almost zero genetic variability - there's hardly any difference between them.

They think about 10-12,000 years ago, because back then, there was a massive destruction of many different mammalian species, such as mammoths, sable tigers and cave bears. About 75% of all mammalian species died out in North and South America. So this was probably the "disaster" that knocked off most of the cheetahs. Perhaps this disaster was a severe climate change associated with the tailing-off of the last Ice Age.

Whatever the cause, some scientists think that the cheetahs got almost totally wiped out - perhaps more than once. Like true copycats, they then built up their numbers with generation after generation of brother-sister inbreeding.
Once again, cheetahs are very endangered, because we are stealing their land and killing them, so bringing them closer to the brink of extinction.

(just a little info for those of you who wish to tackle my question.........)

16 posted on 10/22/2001 3:10:52 PM PDT by Elsie

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(just a little info for those of you who wish to tackle my question.........)

*shrug* While a species is *likely* to have problems when a population is reduced so far, it doesn't mean that it *will* have problems, or that it didn't hang on through other lean times since then. Just because one species barely survived where others died out tells me that the cheetah must be pretty resilient, and survives well in pretty lean times. Now, if there are 20-30-50 species that show this evolutionary bottleneck, that tells me that there might be a problem. But one? Why is this a problem for evolution again?

17 posted on 10/22/2001 3:46:47 PM PDT by ThinkPlease

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Boy meets girls my ass. Why do we have LAWS against marrying of first cousins? Why is INCEST taboo in ALL cultures? (ARKANSAS given a pass)

Ahh yes, but inbreeding only increases the likelihood of there being non-viable offspring. It doesn't say all of the offspring will turn out to be deformed or non-viable, only some. Look at the Royal Family, after all....they have been pretty inbred over the past millennium, and yet some of their family are still pretty functional. It's a probablilty issue, more than anything. I bet there were a lot of cheetah deaths in the past, and if a person could get the data, I bet it would bring it out...

Despite your insistance, problems with the cheetah do not stick any sort of nail in the coffin of evolution, at most, it may make a Ph.D defense project. It would be an interesting project, too...

18 posted on 10/22/2001 4:02:03 PM PDT by ThinkPlease

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Rats! I think I lost some people in the translation...........

Wasn't trying for nails, just a biologist reply. I don't know if we have any of those among 'the usual suspects'.

19 posted on 10/22/2001 4:28:47 PM PDT by Elsie

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Wasn't trying for nails, just a biologist reply. I don't know if we have any of those among 'the usual suspects'.

I assure you that my answers to your question are not fundamentally different that that a biologist might answer. Despite having a degree in Astronomy, I also do have some background in Biology. Do you have a response to my above statements in 17 and 18?

20 posted on 10/23/2001 8:35:16 AM PDT by ThinkPlease

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