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To: OLD REGGIE
I believe there countless millions of Catholics in this world who have no idea who the Lord is. They pray to Mary, they pray to various Saints, they pray to statues, they never pray directly to Jesus. What

Oh Christ almighty, will you get off this "pray to statues" and "pray to Mary" crap! I mean, this is like Jack Chick 101 stuff.

Go ahead, dishonor Mary by not asking her to pray for you and by not calling her blessed (uh, that one's taken right from the Bible). I'm sure Jesus likes us to not give His Mother the respect she deserves.

I believe that Protestantism is harmful to the faith of millions myself. By allowing people to be their own popes and make up their own doctrine as they see fit (i.e., God will bend to my will, and not vice-versa), the further one gets from the Reformation, the worse and worse the beliefs of the followers. Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Seventh Day Adventism, Moonies, Mormons, the old Worldwide Church of God, Oneness Pentecostalism, Snake-handling Pentecostalism, Jim Jones, Christadelphianism, Swedenborgianism, and Branch Davidianism are all descendants of the Protestant Reformation, and late ones at that. I'm waiting myself for the advbent of a Christian Scientologist movement by the 22nd century, the way things seem to be headed.

The later one gets, the less a connection one has to the Truth. That is why we have the seat of the Pope, that is why we have unchanging truths.

Catholicism has its own offshoots, but all of them are laughed at, if not outright excommunicated or heretical.

You can throw crap like "pray to ceramic statues" and "pray to Mary" but your accusations are false.

3,271 posted on 10/27/2001 11:54:49 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
Oh Christ almighty, will you get off this "pray to statues" and "pray to Mary" crap! I mean, this is like Jack Chick 101 stuff.

I repeat; there are millions of Catholics in this world who do not know Jesus. They know only Mary, Saints (various and sundry) and Statues.
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Go ahead, dishonor Mary by not asking her to pray for you and by not calling her blessed (uh, that one's taken right from the Bible). I'm sure Jesus likes us to not give His Mother the respect she deserves.

I have seen no one say that Mary was not "Blessed". Have you, or are you playing games with the truth?
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I believe that Protestantism is harmful to the faith of millions myself. By allowing people to be their own popes and make up their own doctrine as they see fit (i.e., God will bend to my will, and not vice-versa),

I wont say this is a lie. It is much too ignorant a statement. To be a liar one must be intelligent to know they are lying.
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3,275 posted on 10/27/2001 12:26:28 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: Conservative til I die
I believe that Protestantism is harmful to the faith of millions myself. By allowing people to be their own popes and make up their own doctrine as they see fit (i.e., God will bend to my will, and not vice-versa), the further one gets from the Reformation, the worse and worse the beliefs of the followers

OK, I'm going to weigh in on this one..."allowing people to be their own popes"? Where do you get that? That's not part of Protestant thought! Make up their own doctrine? Hardly! Do you read your Bible? Or do you wait for the Pope to tell you what it says? God gave you a brain, and He expects you to use it! The only requirement for understanding scripture is having a personal relationship with the Author. You don't get that by rituals, by liturgy, by praying to saints or Mary. You get that by praying to Jesus, and asking Him to forgive your sins and come into your heart. You ask Him to cleanse you and make you a new man (or woman, as the case may be). Jesus said "ye must be born again". That's how you do it. It's scriptural, and it works. Once you have done that, then you can read and understand the Bible, because you have its Author, the Holy spirit, living inside you to lead and guide you into all truth (Jesus' own words).

Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Seventh Day Adventism, Moonies, Mormons, the old Worldwide Church of God, Oneness Pentecostalism, Snake-handling Pentecostalism, Jim Jones, Christadelphianism, Swedenborgianism, and Branch Davidianism are all descendants of the Protestant Reformation, and late ones at that.

Every one of those you named is not a descendant of the Reformation. Just because someone starts a "new" group of followers and claims to use the Bible as their inspiration, it doesn't mean that they are Christian. Every one of those you named are cults, and labeled as such by the main Protestant denominations.

Oh Christ almighty, will you get off this "pray to statues" and "pray to Mary" crap! I mean, this is like Jack Chick 101 stuff.

That's it, use His name in vain, that really establishes your point. As far as the "pray to statues, pray to Mary" stuff, do you deny that Catholics do that? If you do then in addition to being a blasphemer, you are a liar, and you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven doing that stuff.

Go ahead, dishonor Mary by not asking her to pray for you and by not calling her blessed (uh, that one's taken right from the Bible). I'm sure Jesus likes us to not give His Mother the respect she deserves.

Please tell me where in scripture it is commanded that we give extra honor to Mary? Mary is dead, and cannot pray for us anymore, nor can she hear our prayers. God hears our prayers, in the persons of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. We are forbidden to pray to any other than the true God. Your idea of respect to Jesus Mother is a cultural construct, not a scriptural one. Jesus never commanded any such thing, and never would.

The whole idea of Christ's redemptive work was so that God and you could have fellowship. Directly. One on one. Without a middleman. Catholicism has placed roadblocks to fellowship with God in the path of it's followers. Catholicism attempts to invalidate the Word of God with traditions of men, and inserts itself between man and God. There is one mediator between God and man, the Man, Jesus Christ.

3,302 posted on 10/27/2001 2:48:35 PM PDT by nobdysfool
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