[JohnnyM]

oh my gosh dude. That Scripture is totally OUT OF CONTEXT!!!

1 Cor 15-19:
Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.

What Paul is saying that if Christ did not raise from the dead. That if you don't believe in the resurrection, then your faith and hope are worhtless, because there is nothing after this life. He is not saying in any way that this is our present state, unless you don't beleive in the resurrection, and if you don't then you are not a Christian.

JM

[vmatt]

oh my gosh dude. That Scripture is totally OUT OF CONTEXT!!!

No it's not. I used it in context of a resurrection. Paul was saying that if in this life only we have hope, without a resurrection into another life, then we are most miserable. My point is that true existance doesn't begin until our own resurrection when we will know Him in that life as we are known by Him in this life. He already knows who those will be and has been known to prepare places for those who are going to Him.

1 Corinthians 15

32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.