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No I don't believe Judas was ever a believer. The bible tells us he was an unrepentent thief. He griped about the oil on Jesus. He did not seem to EVER have Christ in his heart. He talked the talk but did not walk the walk. We can know by their fruits thing:)

Maybe that is the answer to SD question, "how do you know when you have been lead by the HS to salvation?" If you can imagine you or anyone being able to "fall" then I don't see how you could have experienced true salvation. Not because we keep ourselves saved, but Jesus does. I am not going to keep my salvation, Jesus is going to keep me saved because I believe He died for me and he won"t ever let me go. I accepted the free gift.

Becky

I am not going to keep my salvation, Jesus is going to keep me saved because I believe He died for me and he won"t ever let me go.

I agree with that statement. Now, hypothetically, is it possible that a person could change their mind that Jesus died for them or that Jesus loves them? And if that's possible...