[SoothingDave]

SD, if a person, has to pay some sort of payment, be it money, pennants, goods, pledges, or anything that only that person can give, then it is a work by that person being paid to their religious leader for results, and yes, it is being performed then by the person.

Havoc meant(or at least I read it) that it was a work being performed by the person in Purgatory. this is what I was objecting to. The person being purified is acted upon in Purgatory, is not an actor.

There is no payment required to get someone out of Purgatory. People can do good works and ask that the effects of the good work be applied to someone in Purgatory, but they are not required. Payment of money directly or indirectly for "indulgences" was stopped as an abuse.

SD

[JHavard]

There is no payment required to get someone out of Purgatory. People can do good works and ask that the effects of the good work be applied to someone in Purgatory, but they are not required. Payment of money directly or indirectly for "indulgences" was stopped as an abuse.

So in essence they are saying, Well, it's up to you, if you don't think they are worth doing anything for, you must know much better then the Church, cough, cough, cough, but remember, wink wink, you aren't required by law to do anything for those you love, guilt guilt. (^g^)

[Joyful Wisdom]

Payment of money directly or indirectly for "indulgences" was stopped as an abuse.

Unless you count sunday morning preachers and their prayer lines. "Thank you, we will forward your prayers to God. May I have your credit card number to cover the shipping and handling."