Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
I don't think we can tell that from my story. If he is listening to himself or the Holy Spirit, that is. The assumption is that he believes he is hearing the Holy Spirit.
SD
Well, let's see. The idea of people praying for each other doesn't bother me in the slightest and never has. It's your doctrine of talking to dead people in violation of God's laws that is a bother to me. Blasphemy has a tendancy to bring out a really bad side in me.
Prove that the Catholic Church teaches that purgatory is "a work performed by the person." When will you learn that you don't have the foggiest notion what you are talking about. It's been what? three days in a row I have called you on stating false teachings of the Church. You haven't backed up any of them.
LOL - yeah, ok. Do we need to just go back into the 161 threads of the old chronicles and bring forth what you seem to have forgotten has already been discussed. Purgatory is a work. It is a work because if God could do that work in half the time to begin with, it would be done immediately. Prayer doesn't speed God up - He works in His own time. Admit it, Purgatory is a work. And it is a money making scheme that built a large building for Catholicism long ago. Why stop the money rolling in. If 1% of all Roman Catholics chip in $20 for purgatory, that's no small chunk of change. So don't give us the 'Oh yeah, $20 is a lot of money' junk. Fraud is fraud. It would be more appropriate to compare the $20 to 30 pieces of silver!
Becky
Now we venture into strange territory. I can't imagine a major teaching being wrong. Were it somehow the case and I could not, after honestly trying, reconcile the difference, I would probably behave like most people, and follow their gut instinct. You did say "major" teaching. A minor thing like about animals, I can have a personal opinion, but if pushed I will abide by the Church's teaching. A major thing I have trouble imagining. It is almost like trying to imagine what you would do tomorrow if you woke up and water flowed uphill.
SD
Yeah, they have to pay. If they are paying it is work. Either way, it is unbiblical claptrap..
Becky
No worry, you didn't :)
BigMack
Well, let's see. The idea of people praying for each other doesn't bother me in the slightest and never has. It's your doctrine of talking to dead people in violation of God's laws that is a bother to me. Blasphemy has a tendancy to bring out a really bad side in me.
Once again you speak from ignorance. Praying for the dead in Purgatory had nothing to do with praying with the "dead" saints in Heaven. Once again you confuse issues.
If a fellow Christian was stuck in a well, we might very well pray that God helps them out. If a fellow Christian was struggling with sin, we might very well pray that God helps them with their struggle.
When a fellow Christian dies and is suffering the transition of Purgatory, we might very well pray that their visit is brief.
Prove that the Catholic Church teaches that purgatory is "a work performed by the person." When will you learn that you don't have the foggiest notion what you are talking about. It's been what? three days in a row I have called you on stating false teachings of the Church. You haven't backed up any of them.
LOL - yeah, ok. Do we need to just go back into the 161 threads of the old chronicles and bring forth what you seem to have forgotten has already been discussed.
You didn't know what you were talking about then either, so I don't see how it will help.
Purgatory is a work. It is a work because if God could do that work in half the time to begin with, it would be done immediately. Prayer doesn't speed God up - He works in His own time.
Purgatory is a "work" because God never answers our prayers. That's what you just said. God can have no mercy on anyone, He will do what he wants on His own timeframe and never listens to the cries of His people for mercy. Especially when they ask for mercy not for themselves, but for others.
You're funny. Why do we bother to petition the Lord with prayer? Every day on FR there are threads where someone has cancer or is in the hospital and we pray that God will bring them quick relief. Is this pointless as well? According to your logic God will do as He wills. Our prayer can have no effect. God turns his ear away from us and refuses to hear our pleas.
Do the other Christians here agree that God can not be moved by our prayers?
SD
Yeah, they have to pay. If they are paying it is work. Either way, it is unbiblical claptrap..
Trust you to miss a metaphor.
SD
I know, its like I felt after being in a church for 10 years that taught a works based faith.
BigMack
I know, its like I felt after being in a church for 10 years that taught a works based faith.
Nah. You were supposed to say "the first thing I would do is close off the sewer pipes." :-)
SD
I heard that there is a place like that in Canada. No joke.
-ksen
Aha! We get to the bottom of it finally. And what religion are they? ;-)
(I'm sure it's just an "illusion" that it is flowing uphill.)
SD
I'm glad you asked. The English speaking Candians are split amongst two denominations, the Molsonites and the Hockeitarians.
SD
Becky
SD
As usual you Catholics ignore the more fundamental Moostists.
;^)
-ksen
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