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DISTURBING NEW YORK TRAGEDY CODE CLUSTER EMERGING
BibleCodeDigest.com ^ | 11 OCT 2001 | BIBLE CODE DIGEST.COM STAFF

Posted on 10/10/2001 11:45:30 PM PDT by Quix

FOLLOWING is the latest update on the progress of a growing NYC WTC related Bible Code. ONE aspect of it already has odds of 1 in 4 million occuring by chance. Some aspects of it are entirely new to the phenomenon. The code's obvious relationship to the surface text (Ezek 7:2-8) is also quite sobering. This code has risen to one of the top 5 of all time in terms of statistical probabilities. This is a worthy site for interested people to signup for. Offered as fair use for educational discussion--Q

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Disturbing New York Tragedy Code Cluster Emerging

We¡¦d Like Your Opinion on It

A troubling new cluster of codes about the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center is taking shape in the early verses of Ezekiel 7, and we aren¡¦t quite sure what it implies. We¡¦d be very interested in your take on it. (You can e-mail us your [perhaps meant for MEMBERS only?] opinion from the link at the bottom of this page.)

The focal code is an unusually lengthy ELS of 28 letters with a very short skip of 15. [This means the statistical probabilities are VERY high against the likelihood of such occurring by chance.]

It reads, ¡§New York: They Accompany the Unfortunate Who Are Stricken In It. The Worshippers Are Gathering Around God.¡¨ Its length and its brevity of skip makes this one of the top five most significant Bible codes ever discovered.

Crossing or coming near these mysterious messages are many brief ELSs that connect with the events of September 11 and that we are working on possibly extending:

Some of these brief ELSs are:

Repent! God Has Responded to the Evil

An Unheard of Disaster

God Struck Evil

Every Evil

In the Morning

an exact crossing of ¡§September 11¡¨ and ¡§2001¡¨

U.S.

bin Laden

Airliner

Firemen

Afghan

Crying

Saddam

Iraq

Conspiracy

Devastation

Grief

Cruelty

Taliban

Terror

Horrible

Destroy

Death

Destruction

Butchery

[Q: Some of the shorter words above in Hebrew would not, in and of themselves be statistically significant. The whole collection of words fitting the situation AND the surface text is incredibly statistically significant. But common sense will tell you the same thing. CLEARLY SOMETHING IS GOING ON for the list of words above to be collected in a tight, small matrix as they are.]

There are some other extremely unusual features to this cluster. In text centered around the lengthy New York code there are far fewer occurrences of the World Trade Center acronym as a code, as if to represent its horrible absence from the Manhattan skyline. The glaring absence of WTC ELSs is so great that the odds it could happen by chance are less than 1 in 10,000.

In addition, there is an apparent representation of a mass graveyard in the same text. There are 13 visible crosses formed by pairs of appearances of ¡§The End¡¨ ELSs that look like this (the blank squares in the matrix represent other Hebrew letters in the text):

[SORRY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THE GRAPHIC INSERTED. IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE SITE AND CAN, GREAT.--Q]

The spelling of ¡§The End¡¨ was taken directly from the literal text of Ezekiel 7:5-6: ¡§Disaster! An unheard-of disaster is coming. The end has come! The end has come!¡¨ While 3.5 such crosses would be expected to occur in this text by chance, the actual appearance of 13 such crosses is extremely unusual¡Xwith odds less than 1 in 4 million. The majority of these crosses appear in two stacks whose centers are only 7 letters apart, as if to represent the Twin Towers.

What makes these curiosities particularly disturbing is the message of the surface text above these very significant Bible code occurrences. Ezekiel 7:2-8 reads (in the New International Version):

Son of man, this is what the Sovereign Lord says to the land of Israel: The end! The end has come upon the four corners of the land.

The end is now upon you and I will unleash my anger against you. I will judge you according to your conduct and repay you for all your detestable practices.

I will not look on you with pity or spare you; I will surely repay you for your conduct and the detestable practices among you. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

This is what the Sovereign God says: Disaster! An unheard-of disaster is coming.

The end has come! The end has come! It has roused itself against you. It has come!

Doom has come upon you„oyou who dwell in the land. The time has come, the day is near; there is panic, not joy, upon the mountains.

I am about to pour out my wrath on you and spend my anger against you; I will judge you according to your conduct and repay you for all your detestable practices.

Double Meaning?

This message came through the prophet Ezekiel for the nation of Israel prior to its being conquered by the Babylonian empire in 587 B.C. This was not the first time God allowed ruthless pagans to devastate Israel in times of its spiritual decline. Given that scholars believe there are many double prophecies in the Bible, or instances where a prophecy is fulfilled once and then fulfilled again in a totally different situation many years later, could it be that this prophecy has a modern application, too?

And is it possible to tie these codes and anomalies beneath it to the United States? Could the ¡§detestable practices¡¨ be our commonplace disregard for the Ten Commandments? Might this not include our worship of self, possessions and success rather than God? Our tolerance of violence in media as well as reality? Our ready acceptance of dishonesty [Q: AND INFANTICIDE?] and adultery in our culture?

Or is it simply a coincidence? Or could it be that our ¡§God Bless America¡¨ slogans are self-serving wishes for God to be on our side even though we habitually ignore God and the Ten Commandments in our daily lives?

What do you think? We would value your opinion as we move forward with this research over the next few weeks. Please send us an e-mail with your thoughts. Send to info@biblecodedigest.com.

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To: gcruse
It's interesting that you base your blind faith on a lack of reason and a lack of evidence.

Has this been a lifelong pattern?

41 posted on 10/11/2001 12:28:24 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
Your Phd is from where? and in what discipline?
42 posted on 10/11/2001 12:28:49 AM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: nopardons
The so called " BIBLE CODES " have been long ago discredited.

When the "Bible Code" book originally came out, I recall someone published a column that proved the so-called code produced the same results when applied to a book of major league baseball statistics as it did in the Bible. It's such blatant nonsense that it's sad a single person ever bought into it.

43 posted on 10/11/2001 12:28:55 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Quixie and all
The most shocking thing is not these "codes" but how next to nothing is said by their proponents about the NON coded words of the Bible -- its plaintext. All this ado about codes appears to miss the massive edifice for the sake of what at MOST might be some architectural ornaments.
44 posted on 10/11/2001 12:31:01 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Smittyat90210
The more enjoyable mirth seems to come as much or more from watching people outraged and indignant that their reality paradigms might be rattled by solid evidence.

Sigh.

45 posted on 10/11/2001 12:31:17 AM PDT by Quix
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To: 537 Votes
The people who promote the Bible codes contend that it would not be proper to attempt to predict with them.

Many of the "prophecies" in Scripture were written so that those in the events depicted would not recognize the fulfillment until after the fact. However, the resemblance to the prophecy was meant to edify the believer and help convince the unbeliever.

I have not studing the results in Hebrew directly. I have written some code to attempt to find similar effects in English texts and found none. It could be that Hebrew is structured such that chance occurrences are more likely. However, the "experts" who have examined this phenomenon have compared results with other Hebrew texts and not been able to locate similar effects in non-Biblical texts.

I don't know what to believe about it, but it does produce some startling results. Go look at the site!

Remember that the Dead Sea Scrolls demonstrated that the current Hebrew texts are EXTREMELY faithful to the originals. Else, this whole train of thinking would indeed be specious.

46 posted on 10/11/2001 12:33:31 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: IncPen
Have you forgotten God's exhortation to Daniel about some of the truth, the prophecies being SEALED UP until the time of the end?

I'm not about to tell God HE couldn't do it or didn't do it.

I'm not even about to tell Him that a wonderful and fun resource He has provided for this computer age is useless and ought to be flushed. I'm skeptical HE would be amused.

47 posted on 10/11/2001 12:33:34 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
It's interesting that you base your blind faith on a lack of reason and a lack of evidence.

Since your faith is clearly based on evidence (leaning heavy toward the statistical), what evidence could be presented which would cause you to lose faith?
48 posted on 10/11/2001 12:33:44 AM PDT by self_evident
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To: Quix
You can certainly build a relationship to anything you want out of the bible. Why in hell (no pun intended) would Bin Laden represent the wrath of God?
50 posted on 10/11/2001 12:36:15 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: Quix
Nope, you are utterly, completely and inexcusably incorrect anout the so called " BIBLE CODES." They have, time and time again, by myriad EXPERTS in cryptology , codes, and religion , been discredited, denied, and proven to be fraudulant. You only believe in them, because you want to believe in them.

The book of Revelations is for a future time. The prophets, in the OT, were ONLY speaking to those in their own times, as admonitions . The ONLY exception being the promise of a Messiah. Ask any rabbi . Ask any Catholic priest. Ask any Protestant minister. Better than that, ask yourself WHEN these pronouncements were made ; BEFORE or AFTER the events.

This is utter codswallop, devised to make money ( by selling books and getting paid lecture fees ) from gullible twits, who don't really know very much about religon or the Bible.Anyone could do the same thing, with any text at all. This isn't even as good a trick as Uri Geller's spoon bending,or Houdini's Metamorphosis ! Both of which, BTW, I know how to do.

Not one religion accepts the " BIBLE CODES " as being authentic.

How about if I devise a super , special decoding program, and tell you tomorrow that I am able to prove that the Founding Fathers put into the Constitution that WW1 would occur ? Would you be as gullible; would you believe me ? What if I could show you that it also fortold your birth and Clinton's oral sex activities, whilst he was ensconced in the White House ? I could do it, given enough time. How ? Easily, because I already know what has transpired in the past.

51 posted on 10/11/2001 12:38:01 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Carol-HuTex
Why bother to look for such things ? ...

A good question! I see it like I look at DNA. The truth of God is a twisted, crafted, whole which conveys truth on many different levels. Probably some levels which we will never, ever understand simply because they are there to please God.

Why shouldn't some levels of "truth" be encoded in a form which can only be found by computational means?

I, personally, don't quite what to think about this stuff, but I am past the point of wondering IF it could make sense. Why not?

53 posted on 10/11/2001 12:40:56 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: IncPen
It doesn't " border ", it IS blasphemous.
54 posted on 10/11/2001 12:41:35 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Timesink
I repent of any arrogance. Certainly nothing I want and want even less to display.

Am not saying my professional training makes me a flawless Bible scholar. Analytical skills can be helpful but not flawless.

My experience with statistics in my professional study and life are useful regarding the Bible Codes.

My point about my profession is that it is a fascinating psychological, sociological phenomenon to observe people's fierce biases about this topic. It's fascinating, curious, interesting, flabbergasting.

My dissertation studied such . . . biases shall we say. No, I won't disclose as I wish privacy strongly for too many serious reasons. . . . There is a certain quality of communication and discourse which indicates a certain level of, degree of, quality of permeability regarding one's super-ordinate constructs.

Generally speaking, the constructs of most people on FR seem to be reasonably balanced and reasonably permeable. But get into the Bible Codes subject area and the picture changes dramatically and immediately.

THAT PHENOMENON IS A FASCINATING PHENOMENON IN AND OF ITSELF.

I'm also suggesting from my experienc, training and research that such a phenomenon has little or nothing to do with the validity or lack of validity of the Bible Codes. It's an entirely OTHER phenomenon. That's all I was trying to suggest. Sorry it came across as arrogant. I don't feel arrogant. I'm a very flawed fellow traveler.

But neither have I earned the disrespect etc. dumped on me because of my views about the Bible Codes--particularly when the evidence is on the side of the Codes--OVERWHELMINGLY--MORE OUTRAGEOUSLY OVERWHELMINGLY than you can posit for any similar issue from virtually any area of scientific inquiry.

55 posted on 10/11/2001 12:42:07 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
Interesting, though not sure I believe it.

Though tonight I was wondering where the heck were all the psychics in predicting this tragedy before it happened! What did all the mighty astrologists have to say about September 11!?

False gods always show themselves for what they are...BS!

56 posted on 10/11/2001 12:42:54 AM PDT by mutejesseJ
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To: IncPen
If anything borders on blasphemy, it would be to limit GOD to communicate in ONLY the language and way that YOU understand and NO other!

Look at the complexity of DNA. Why can't the crafted word of God be as complex and well designed??

57 posted on 10/11/2001 12:43:44 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Carol-HuTex
We agree on this completely ! : - )
58 posted on 10/11/2001 12:44:48 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: flying Elvis
I'm well satisfied with the high quality of my institution--both during the high pressured program and comparing notes and products with peers afterwards. You may choose to be skeptical as you wish.
59 posted on 10/11/2001 12:44:52 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
It's bogus. Mathematically, I can make "Bill Clinton - Wussy" appear. Pay more attention to the words of Christ in the bible, rather than what is buried, one character at a time, in the hebrew of an imperfect translation...
60 posted on 10/11/2001 12:45:14 AM PDT by No Fool
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