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To: ChaseR
Interesting that you keep asking "is it POSSIBLE" that China will do this, that, and the other thing.

We can continuously hypothesize about what the Chinese are ABLE to do at the expense of realistically asking "What are the LIKELY to do, assuming they have an ounce of common sense in their heads?"

Here's my point: nuclear weapons storage is best conducted in a facility that is obviously very high security. You can try to have "security through obscurity," but that relies on EVERYONE who has access to the whereabouts of these weapons being pure, trustworthy, AND not liable to make a mistake that would lead to disclosure of said information, and EVERY DEVICE that stores said information (file cabinet, computer server, etc.) being perfectly secure.

And when you put it that way...it's a silly notion. Any security professional, when he hears this idea mooted, would laugh in your face. Security based on very few people knowing about the presence of these weapons, AND NOTHING ELSE, will result in the locations of these weapons eventually being compromised--and if said compromise is unknown, the first warning would be when somebody succeeded in stealing the weapons. That's just a wee bit late. If said compromise IS known about, then it becomes a race to relocate the weapons (and moving them adds to the risk of theft--can you trust the truck drivers? Was the "discovery" of the compromise an elaborate ruse intended to actually reveal your contingency plans for guarding those weapons? Enquiring minds want to know) before the OPFOR can swipe them.

So, proper nuclear weapons security implies that, for example, the areas in which these weapons are stored would be very heavily secured with heavily armed guard patrols, a "layered" perimiter that would slow down an intruder and notify the defenders of his presence, and a VERY heavily-armed reaction force to deal with an intrusion effort--because you NEVER take risks with nuclear weapons security. (Suppose some doomsday cult found out about these weapons and where they were stored?) Such facilities would be extremely obvious to even the most basic reconnaisance effort. (Heck, Joe Citizen, if he were willing to spend the dollars, could buy the imagery from SPOT or one of SPOT's competitors--and compare them against archive imagery on Terraserver.

So, in conclusion, it would NOT be difficult to locate Chinese nuclear weapons storage sites in the New World. The fact that Gertz has to repeatedly use the weasel words "could," "might," and "possibly" indicates that no one's seen them yet.

Like I said earlier, we can engage in "Well, the Chinese COULD do this extremely stupid and self-destructive behavior" until the heat death of the Universe. How about engaging in REALISTIC assessments of what's going on?

160 posted on 10/15/2001 3:02:36 PM PDT by HoweverComma
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To: HoweverComma; Black Jade; backhoe; Ragtime Cowgirl; KLT; Snow Bunny; ALOHA RONNIE
HoweverComma:
"(Suppose some doomsday cult found out about these weapons and where they were stored?) Such facilities would be extremely obvious to even the most basic reconnaisance effort."

Yes, you're exactly correct - it is extremely obvious that the Communist Chinese could/are/will - store short-range and medium-range missile parts - in - any amount of COSCO ships they want - and then have these ships come and go -or- simply have them docked -for weeks and months at a time- down at their Hutchison-Whampoa piers. (folks seeing these COSCO ships docked down there - would think nothing of it - since Hutchison-Whampoa - now has a 50 year lease - to be in Panama.

HoweverComma:
"So, in conclusion, it would NOT be difficult to locate Chinese nuclear weapons storage sites in the New World." The fact that Gertz has to repeatedly use the weasel words "could," "might," and "possibly" indicates that no one's seen them yet.

Give me a few minutes and I'll crawl down in the hold of one of the COSCO ships docked down at the Hutchison-Whampoa leased piers - and I'll be back shortly...of course, I know that I'll be allowed aboard, heck - I'll just pose as an inquiring tourist with a camera - and - I'm sure that the Communist Chinese won't mind at all and that they'll let any and all - come aboard - for any kind of full inspection that is requested - I'll leave in a moment.

HoweverComma:
"Like I said earlier, we can engage in "Well, the Chinese COULD do this extremely stupid and self-destructive behavior" until the heat death of the Universe. How about engaging in REALISTIC assessments of what's going on?"

Yes - sure thing Comma, I see your point. And if those poor souls murdered on 9-11 - could possibly - have been offered invitations to come to a seminars in early September - to discuss "extremely stupid and self-destructive behavior" - such as any possibility - that jets might be intentionally crashed into the WTC (or Pentagon) - they, like me - would probably not have attended.
HoweverComma, it appears to me that times - they are a changin' - huh.
[HoweverComma, in light of 9 - 11 - Now is the Time - to address all possibilities - wouldn't you'd agree!

181 posted on 10/19/2001 7:37:33 PM PDT by ChaseR
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To: HoweverComma
Good news is.....not EVERYONE thinks like you

BAD news is......your communist party is looking for you, your late in your dues.

183 posted on 10/19/2001 7:43:04 PM PDT by Snow Bunny
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