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China AOL Time Warner and News Corp "Deal" - The REAL Story - from China
China Daily - via People's Daily Online ^ | 9/6/01 | Big Brother PRC

Posted on 09/06/2001 7:59:16 PM PDT by Enlightiator

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What a "deal" - a very raw one for both the American and the Chinese public.

Big Brother PRC, coming soon to a channel near you!

Earlier threads on the subject:

China, U.S. near broadcast deal

China offers access deal to News Corp and AOL (Mine: China Propaganda to be Broadcast in US)

MURDOCH SET FOR CHINA TV CLEARANCE; MUST ENSURE COMMUNIST CHANNEL WIDELY AVAILABLE IN USA

China offers access deal to News Corp and AOL

Report: China May OK AOL Time Warner

China offers access deal to News Corp and AOL

China Reportedly to Give News Corp. and AOL Access to Audience

1 posted on 09/06/2001 7:59:16 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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another bold step for the ussa.
2 posted on 09/06/2001 8:09:46 PM PDT by Anonymous2
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News Corp owned by Fox News owner Rupert Murdoch

FOX NEWS OWNER RUPERT MURDOCH SET FOR CHINA TV CLEARANCE;
MUST ENSURE COMMUNIST CHANNEL WIDELY AVAILABLE IN USA!

In the not to distant future
Mrs. Sheeple tells her kids "Fox News says China is our friend
and I watched that new channel from China and the people are so happy."
3 posted on 09/06/2001 8:22:55 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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"We want to give you full access to every cabled TV in the USA, but in order for it to be legal, you have to let us broadcast, in English, somewhere in China. It does not need to be a big area..."

So a small part of a small province near Hong Kong gets "Friends" reruns and the USA gets news and enlightening cultural information.

Way back when Clinton was president, he said opening trade with China will make them more like us, but looking at Chinese history, they have mostly assimilated every invader. I thought it much more likely that we would become more Chinese.

Now they can broadcast their culture to us, and it probably will be packaged and produced by American producers and won't even look Chinese after the first year or two. Think they will teach us about forced pregnancy tests and abortions?

Just as an aside, in Earth in the Balance Algor said he wanted to reduce the world population and control who breeds, how Chinese of him!

4 posted on 09/06/2001 8:26:23 PM PDT by DBrow
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I'm not so sure this is a bad thing. It's a chance for people to see Communists in action. They do NOT understand our culture at all and I truly believe have no other choice than to be seen for exactly what they are by literally everyone. But that's just my opinion. Could be a real eye-opener, though!

If you've never seen the N. Korean News website where some nice Japanese folks translate the ONLY news disseminated in North Korea, it's frightening. This garbage could wake up even the most mind-numbed sheeple.

Stout of heart, click here: http://www.kcna.co.jp

5 posted on 09/06/2001 8:38:21 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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Thanks for the other link, 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub.

So a small part of a small province near Hong Kong gets "Friends" reruns and the USA gets news and enlightening cultural information.

lol, yep DBrow. They get friends, we get a Peoples Republic of China state run broadcast from CCTV. Hey, we can even get a preview of this hard hitting propoganda machine:

China Central Television (CCTV)

6 posted on 09/06/2001 8:41:20 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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"I'm not so sure this is a bad thing. It's a chance for people to see Communists in action."

I see it as a way for China to feed the sheeple in the USA their propaganda with Rupert Murdoch and Ted Turners help.
The sheeple will say "Oh China is not our enemy, AOL and Fox News say they are our friend."
I think our Founding Fathers would not approve of major US corporations dealing with our enemy.
7 posted on 09/06/2001 8:42:51 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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I do get your points. But, as I said, they do NOT understand our culture. Exposing their garbage in the U.S. just might do the trick. We're a very sophisticated country media-wise. We're bombarded with commercials and advertising, TV shows, the best movies on the planet and we know (at least media-wise) cr@p when we see it.

OTOH, piping "Friends" into China could completely destroy their culture, just like network TV has done here in America! LOL

8 posted on 09/06/2001 8:46:17 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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I'm not so sure this is a bad thing. It's a chance for people to see Communists in action.

While I agree with you that to see CCTV communist propagandists in action would be eye opening (and likely amusing), I am quite sure this is a bad thing as far as the fairness of the "deal" goes.

As DBrow says, we give China "Friends" - entertainment, and only in a very minor market. China on the otherhand gets to broadcast its propoganda to the entire US market under the guise of "news" and "culture."

9 posted on 09/06/2001 8:49:14 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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Well, the fairness of the deal is between the folks making the deals! It's their problem. LOL

JMO: I think it would do a great deal to frighten people, as they should be duly frightened, when they see what communist propaganda is. It'll scare the socks off of some people here. I think that's a VERY good thing.

10 posted on 09/06/2001 8:56:45 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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"But, as I said, they do NOT understand our culture"

In 1968 and 1969 the Chinesse I spoke with and visited with
(on liberty from my ship in the Navy)
in their homes in Hong Kong and Taiwan understood our culture.
One thing that sticks in my mind after all these years was what they said to me
"When the dragon awakens beware."
My concern that the gloabalists like Murdoch and Turner
will help them overcome any "lacking" of how to market to the USA sheeple.
Turner and Murdoch are only loyal to one thing=MONEY

PS In 1969 I saw "The Graduate" with Engish sub titles in a Hong Kong movie theater.
11 posted on 09/06/2001 8:57:09 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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Heres a sample of what we can look forward to from Big Brother PRC CCTV:

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China Opposed to U.S. Sales of ¡°Maverick ¡± Missiles to Taiwan: Spokesman

China is firmly opposed to the United States' plan of selling Maverick missiles to Taiwan, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman said at a press conference Thursday.

Spokesman Zhu Bangzao made the remark when asked to comment on the statement by the U.S. Department of Defense on September 5 that the United States may sell 40 Maverick missiles to Taiwan to arm its F-16 fighter jets.

Zhu said that China is seriously concerned about this. Such an act by the United States would send a wrong signal to the Taiwan authorities and constitute a gross interference in China's internal affairs. China is firmly opposed to this, he said.

Zhu said that the three Sino-U.S. Joint Communiques are the basis for Sino-U.S. relations, and U.S. arms sales to Taiwan will once again violate the three joint communiques, especially the one issued on August 17, 1982, and the relevant commitments the U.S. side has made.

China demands the United States realize the harm of arms sales to Taiwan, adhere to the "one China" policy, the three Sino-U.S. Joint Communiques and relevant commitments, stop arms sales to Taiwan so as to avoid harming the cross-straits relations and Sino- U.S. relations, Zhu said.

Zhu said that U.S. arms sales to Taiwan would be an encouragement to the island's forces for "independence," will certainly have a negative impact on the stability of the Taiwan Straits. It is not in the interests of the development of the cross-straits situation, the Sino-U.S. relations and not in the interests of the United States, the spokesman said.

Editor:Guan CCTV.com

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lol, great stuff, eh? It will get old rather quickly,Taiwan bashing, Japanese bashing, Falungong bashing, etc.

12 posted on 09/06/2001 8:58:38 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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"It will get old rather quickly,Taiwan bashing, Japanese bashing, Falungong bashing, etc."

Precisely. They can't help themselves. LOL

13 posted on 09/06/2001 9:04:13 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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Well, the fairness of the deal is between the folks making the deals! It's their problem. LOL

You are kidding, right ;) Of course its not AOL/Time Warner and News Corp I am concerned about as far as "fairness" goes - its the people that have their choices of channels limited by a lousy deal. Thre are a limited number of cable channels (even with digital, though much expanded) - now it looks like we can be sure one of them will be state run Chinese Television (CCTV) propaganda, instead of a channel that might carry much more worthy and fair news. The same problems of fairness apply to the Chinese people - if a fair deal had been struck, they might have been able to see news presented more accurately without the bias, exagerations, and often outright lies, of state run Chinese television.

14 posted on 09/06/2001 9:05:44 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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Hong Kong and Taiwan ain't China. They've been more Westernized.

The folks in charge of CCTV (the Chinese government) have NO idea how to sell their BS to America -- and, as I said, IMHO, they'll blow it. And I'd sure welcome that!

15 posted on 09/06/2001 9:06:26 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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"But, as I said, they do NOT understand our culture."

They are probably paying a billion and a half a year to get to broadcast to us. They will spend another 400 million to hire the best and brightest admen and marketers and propagandists. In a year or two the channel will not look Chinese, will not sound Chinese, will be as slick and polished as any of our nets.

There will be enough Chinese on screen and enough features of China, for sure, but the guys directing the overall nonpolitical content will be Americans.

When Nikon, Toyota, Hundai, Mitsubishi and Nippon want to sell goods here, they hire American marketing and advertising firms who really do understand us, who conduct focus groups and surveys, who know how to sell to us. They do not show Japanese actors showing off their Sentras and Kubota tractors, and I expect the Chinese to do the same with the flow of data to us.

16 posted on 09/06/2001 9:08:22 PM PDT by DBrow
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So who would you suggest come in and force businesses to do deals that are more "fair." ;-)
17 posted on 09/06/2001 9:08:36 PM PDT by Clinton's a liar
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Precisely. They can't help themselves. LOL

The CCTV article was hilarious, wasn't it! After reading it, I think I finally understand your point (and your humor) regarding how silly the PRC propoganda looks to us. But its still a lousy deal for American and Chinese viewers...;)

18 posted on 09/06/2001 9:10:26 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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Like this article? There are people in the US who would buy this junk AND the perspective in total, no doubt about it:

"Statement of spokesman for DPRK Foreign Ministry"

"Pyongyang, September 6 (KCNA) -- A spokesman for the DPRK Foreign Ministry today issued a statement to the press 56 years after the U.S. troops occupied South Korea. The statement said:

On September 8,56 years ago, the U.S. troops occupied South Korea.

The United States, who had watched for a chance to invade Korea from over a hundred years ago, occupied South Korea by force of arms allegedly under the pretext of "disarming" the defeated Japanese army after the end of the second world war.

If the U.S. troops had not been stationed in South Korea, the Korean nation would not have sustained the tragedy of territorial and national division under the constant threat of war for more than half a century. (*Uh huh- the north would have rolled over the south, subjugated it and both sides would be eating tree bark, today while the North's glorious leader ruled all between bites of pizza from his foreign pizza chefs*)

All the patriotic efforts of the peace-loving DPRK government and people to put an end to national division and achieve independent and peaceful reunification of the country have not borne proper fruition due to the obstructive moves of the U.S. troops since their military occupation of South Korea. (*How dare we stand in the way of the North's raping and pillaging of the south?*)

The tough and hostile policy of the new U.S. administration towards the DPRK is now further increasing the danger of the U.S. troops stationed in South Korea. (*Sounds like a threat against the US to me*)

The Bush administration defined the DPRK as "no. 1 enemy" (*No, that honor goes to China, but your nose to nose, I reckon*) and is unilaterally forcing it to "reduce conventional force" in a bid to disarm and stifle it by force of arms, (*How are we doing this by 'force of arms? We're just sitting in one place waiting for an invasion from the north.*) instead of taking a practical measure to withdraw its aggressor troops from South Korea without delay in conformity with the mounting desire of the Korean nation for reunification and the atmosphere of peace and detente on the Korean peninsula after the announcement of the June 15 joint declaration.

The United States is vociferating in public about "resumption of dialogue" without precondition with the DPRK, while extensively reinforcing its armed forces in and around South Korea, modernizing them with up-to-date equipment and staging war exercises against the DPRK one after another.(*We are? Well good.*)

The arms buildup and war exercises corresponding to the U.S. military presence in South Korea are now increasing arms race and the danger of war in the Korean peninsula and northeast Asia.

This situation clearly proves that the U.S. troops stationed in South Korea are a big obstacle to the improvement of inter-Korean and the DPRK-U.S. relations and the smooth settlement of the issue of peace and reunification on the Korean peninsula. (*Why yes, surrendering to every desire a dictator has does make you an obstacle to his conquest. *)

The present reality clearly shows that the U.S. troops stationed in South Korea are the harasser of peace, the very one who keeps the nation divided and the root cause of all misfortune and sufferings of the Korean people. (*? Blame your own asinine and self-destructive policies on us? *)

The withdrawal of U.S. troops from South Korea is a pressing issue the solution of which brooks no further delay for peace and security in the Korean peninsula and northeast Asia. "(*They've had peace since we pushed your butts back across the line, junior.* )

19 posted on 09/06/2001 9:10:41 PM PDT by piasa
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"Hong Kong and Taiwan ain't China."

The people I visited with in both places told me that no matter what (Hong Kong then ruled by British) and Tawain being "free" that they all knew they belonged to China and that both places were infiltrated with China mainland government people to watch and learn everything from Westeners being allowed there. Remember this ('68-'69) was before Nixon "opened" the door to China.
20 posted on 09/06/2001 9:12:34 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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