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Neptune News [Neptune's warming correlates to Earth's warming and solar activity]
worldclimatereport.com ^ | May 8, 2007

Posted on 05/31/2007 11:29:24 AM PDT by grundle

Neptune is the planet farthest from the Sun (Pluto is now considered only a dwarf planet), Neptune is the planet farthest from the Earth, and to our knowledge, there has been absolutely no industrialization out at Neptune in recent centuries. There has been no recent build-up of greenhouse gases there, no deforestation, no rapid urbanization, no increase in contrails from jet airplanes, and no increase in ozone in the low atmosphere; recent changes at Neptune could never be blamed on any human influence. Incredibly, an article has appeared in a recent issue of Geophysical Research Letters showing a stunning relationship between the solar output, Neptune’s brightness, and heaven forbid, the temperature of the Earth. With its obvious implications to the greenhouse debate, we are certain you have never heard of the work and never will outside World Climate Report.

In case you have forgotten your basic science lessons on the planets, Neptune orbits the Sun at a distance 30 times the distance from the Earth to the Sun and Neptune revolves around the Sun once every 164.8 Earth years. Neptune has 17 times the mass of the Earth, its atmosphere is primarily composed of hydrogen and helium, with traces of methane that account for the planet’s distinctive blue appearance. It was the only planet discovered mathematically – scientists noted variations in the orbit of Uranus, they calculated the orbit and position of a yet undiscovered planet that could cause the variations noted for Uranus, they determined where the planet should be, and on the first night they searched for it (September 23, 1846), they discovered the large planet sitting within 1 degree of their predictions. The new planet was named for Neptune, Roman god of the sea, given its distinctive blue color. Observations from Earth and a 1989 Voyager 2 flyby have revealed that Neptune’s cloud tops are extremely cold (−346°F) being so far from the Sun while the center of the planet has a temperature of 13,000°F due to high pressure generating extremely hot gases.

In the recent article, Hammel and Lockwood, from the Space Science Institute in Colorado and the Lowell Observatory, note that measurements of visible light from Neptune have been taken at the Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona since 1950. Obviously, light from Neptune can be related to seasons on the planet, small variations in Neptune’s orbit, the apparent tilt of the axis as viewed from the Earth, the varying distance from Neptune to Earth, and of course, changes in the atmosphere near the Lowell Observatory. Astronomers are clever, they are fully aware of these complications, and they adjust the measurements accordingly.

As seen in Figure 1, Neptune has been getting brighter since around 1980; furthermore, infrared measurements of the planet since 1980 show that the planet has been warming steadily from 1980 to 2004. As they say on Neptune, global warming has become an inconvenient truth. But with no one to blame, Hammel and Lockwood explored how variations in the output of the Sun might control variations in the brightness of Neptune.

Figure 1 (a) represents the corrected visible light from Neptune from 1950 to 2006; (b) shows the temperature anomalies of the Earth; (c) shows the total solar irradiance as a percent variation by year; (d) shows the ultraviolet emission from the Sun (Source: Hammel and Lockwood (2007)).

What would seem so simple statistically is complicated by the degrees of freedom in the various time series which is related to the serial correlation in the data (e.g., next year’s value is highly dependent on this year’s value). Nonetheless, they find that the correlation coefficient between solar irradiance and Neptune’s brightness is near 0.90 (1.00 is perfect). The same relationship is found between the Earth’s temperature anomalies and the solar output. Hammel and Lockwood note “In other words, the Earth temperature values are as well correlated with solar irradiance (r = 0.89) as they are with Neptune’s blue brightness (|r| > 0.90), assuming a 10-year lag of the Neptune values.” The temporal lag is needed to account for the large mass of Neptune that would require years to adjust to any changes in solar output.

Hammel and Lockwood conclude that “In summary, if Neptune’s atmosphere is indeed responding to some variation in solar activity in a manner similar to that of the Earth albeit with a temporal lag” then “Neptune may provide an independent (and extraterrestrial) locale for studies of solar effects on planetary atmospheres.”

World Climate Report has covered many articles in the scientific literature showing that variations in solar output, including variations within specific wavelengths (e.g., cosmic, ultraviolet, visible, infrared) are highly correlated with temperature variations near the Earth’s surface. Believe it or not, when the Sun is more energetic and putting out more energy, the Earth tends to warm up, and when the Sun cools down, so does the Earth. The Hammel and Lockwood article reveals that the same is true out at Neptune; when the Sun’s energy increases, Neptune seems to warm up and get brighter given a decade lag.

If for some reason you do not believe that the Sun is a significant player in determining the temperature of the Earth (after all, we are told repeatedly that humans are causing most of the observed warming on the Earth), then asked yourself if you believe that Neptune’s temperature is controlled by the Sun. How is it possible that the Earth’s temperature is so highly correlated with brightness variations from Neptune? The news from Neptune comes to us just weeks after an article was published showing that Mars has warmed recently as well.

If nothing else, we have certainly learned recently that planets undergo changes in their mean temperature, and while we can easily blame human activity here on the Earth, blaming humans for the recent warming on Mars and Neptune would be an astronomical stretch, to say the least.

Reference:

Hammel, H. B., and G. W. Lockwood, 2007. Suggestive correlations between the brightness of Neptune, solar variability, and Earth’s temperature, Geophysical Research Letters, 34, L08203, doi:10.1029/2006GL028764.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2012; astronomy; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; moons; neptune; planets; rings
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There have been plenty of articles on how the sun is causing Mars to get warmer. Now here's an article about Neptune.

(Of course I still think global warming is a great reason to build more nuclear power plants!)

1 posted on 05/31/2007 11:29:26 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

I dread the inevitable thread about Global Warming on Uranus.


2 posted on 05/31/2007 11:32:21 AM PDT by AU72
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To: grundle
The Neptunians need to learn the error of their ways. Build hybrids, vote democrat, listen blindly. We can fix em. just give me a television channel...
:)
3 posted on 05/31/2007 11:32:22 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: grundle

I know it’s lame but..........Bush’s Fault


4 posted on 05/31/2007 11:37:47 AM PDT by GQuagmire (Giggety,Giggety,Giggety)
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To: AU72

This one's heated. For warming purposes.

5 posted on 05/31/2007 11:40:30 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (the Prophet said, If (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him. - HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260])
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To: grundle

Neptune has Methane. Must be thousands of cows farting up there.

Listen Grundel,dont be trying to confuse Globalists with facts./


6 posted on 05/31/2007 11:43:57 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I'm gonna vote for Fred. John Bolton for VP.)
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To: grundle; windcliff; stylecouncilor

Intersting. Thanks.


7 posted on 05/31/2007 11:45:16 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: grundle

AlGore could not be reached for comment.


8 posted on 05/31/2007 11:46:40 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: AU72
I dread the inevitable thread about Global Warming on Uranus.

Only after a couple of bowls of Texas chili. But I usually don't go around talking about it.

9 posted on 05/31/2007 11:49:19 AM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: grundle

Like has been said....just follow the money. If you can’t prove something and you keep the people confused and scared, there’s money to be made in it. That’s exactly what Gore is doing.


10 posted on 05/31/2007 11:49:54 AM PDT by RC2
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To: grundle

Must be all those Hummers on Neptune


11 posted on 05/31/2007 12:21:35 PM PDT by ulm1 (Rope, tree, journalist. Some assembly required)
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To: grundle

But whenever anyone points out that other planets are warming at the exact same rate as Earth, the enviro-loons reply that means nothing because the warming on the different planets is not due to the one thing they share (the source of their warmth: the sun) but to completely different things on each planet: the differing stmospheres, the dust storms on Mars, etc. Because Occam’s Razor tells us that when you see the same effect occur repeatedly, the most likely explanation is the most complicated, convoluted thing you can come up with. Oh wait, no: it tells us the opposite. Never mind.


12 posted on 05/31/2007 12:24:42 PM PDT by HHFi
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To: grundle

I have friends on Neptune. They say that it’s been as hot as the blazes in recent years. It’s almost up to 180 degrees below zero, and they are worried that the dry ice might melt.


13 posted on 05/31/2007 12:24:47 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: grundle
Believe it or not, when the Sun is more energetic and putting out more energy, the Earth tends to warm up, and when the Sun cools down, so does the Earth.

Hehe!

14 posted on 05/31/2007 12:26:25 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: grundle
It's Bush's fault. Bush and those damned SUVs.

Women and minorities hardest hit.

15 posted on 05/31/2007 12:38:23 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (What did Rather know and when did he know it?)
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To: grundle
Believe it or not, when the Sun is more energetic and putting out more energy, the Earth tends to warm up, and when the Sun cools down, so does the Earth.

Changes in solar energy output are far too small to directly account for temperature changes on Earth, let alone Neptune where the effect would be more than 50 times smaller.

16 posted on 05/31/2007 12:47:56 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: Brad Cloven

Neat. Shows both the Moon and the rings around Uranus at the same time.


17 posted on 05/31/2007 1:08:33 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: grundle

something i don’t understand is that the experts have told us that the sun will eventually burn itself out after continuing to expand its size. doesn’t it stand to reason the if the sun is continuing to expand that the temps here on earth would gradually increase? if this is the case what does man have to do with the increase in temps and what can he do to prevent the sun from expanding? just a thought.


18 posted on 05/31/2007 1:09:14 PM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: grundle
a distance 30 times the distance from the Earth to the Sun

For the sun to do this to Neptune (and Pluto), the effect on earth would be 900 times as much. That is, the oceans would boil. Boil off.

19 posted on 05/31/2007 1:11:40 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: edsheppa
Changes in solar energy output are far too small to directly account for temperature changes on Earth, let alone Neptune where the effect would be more than 50 times smaller.

Then explain why these other planets are heating up at the same time.

20 posted on 05/31/2007 1:29:18 PM PDT by chopperman
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