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Burial Box of St. James (A Catholic Perspective)
Catholic Answers ^ | Oct 22, 2002 | James Akin

Posted on 10/26/2002 1:59:09 PM PDT by polemikos

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To: ThomasMore
No Baptism as a SIGN of regeneration .From the words of Jesus

 Mar 1:15   And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mar 16:16   He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

What is the test here Thomas?Is it Baptism or belief?

It was John..the forerunner of Jesus that taught Baptism for the forgivness of sins ..not Jesus

Luk 3:3   And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
     Luk 3:4   As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

The apostles understood the difference

     Act 18:24   And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, [and] mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.   
  Act 18:25   This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
  Act 18:26   And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto [them], and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
Act 19:4   Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people,that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
     Act 19:5   When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

What was that way? It was the one preached by the disciples ..

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

They did not preach an infused righteouness ..they preached an imparted one..

121 posted on 10/29/2002 1:53:53 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER; berned
Liar,lazy,simpleton. You tell him Smed, you beacon of catholic love.

How could berned believe that two people might have had the same name in those times? You showed him. Once Zebedee and Salome begot James and John those names are done. Duplication was not tolerated in those days.

Let this be a lesson to you berned. From now on use only the "official" papist translation. You have no excuse. These bibles can be found in any catholic book store. Usually right behind the official Virgin Mary lawn statues and the St. Christopher dashboard figurines. Just ask the clerk for the Huey,Douay,and Louie translation.

122 posted on 10/29/2002 2:27:41 PM PST by Joshua
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER; berned
Liar,lazy,simpleton. You tell him Smed, you beacon of catholic love.

How could berned believe that two people might have had the same name in those times? You showed him. Once Zebedee and Salome begot James and John those names are done. Duplication was not tolerated in those days.

Let this be a lesson to you berned. From now on use only the "official" papist translation. You have no excuse. These bibles can be found in any catholic book store. Usually right behind the official Virgin Mary lawn statues and the St. Christopher dashboard figurines. Just ask the clerk for the Huey,Douay,and Louie translation.

123 posted on 10/29/2002 2:34:01 PM PST by Joshua
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To: ThomasMore
The King James (isn't that still considered the definitive standard?) renders both Mat 27:56 and Mark 15:40 as "Joses".

Your post # 112 is a joke. Rather than cutting and pasting what somebody ELSE thinks for 5000 paragraphs, why not think for yourself a little? That's why God gave you a brain and why God created the Bible for us. So that we would not be brainwashed by the lies He knew would be coming. (From Rome)

Funny how catholic Freepers all bemoan the brainwashing and parroting that left-wing liberals do of Democrat talking points, (which they get inculcated by from the media) but you catholics do the exact same thing.

124 posted on 10/29/2002 4:32:20 PM PST by berned
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To: Joshua
LOL!!

Yeah, Smedley is quite the li'l "debater"!

125 posted on 10/29/2002 4:33:38 PM PST by berned
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To: Joshua
***the official Virgin Mary lawn statues and the St. Christopher dashboard figurines. Just ask the clerk for the Huey,Douay,and Louie translation.***

James-in-the-Box would make a nice addition!
126 posted on 10/29/2002 4:48:52 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej
Good one! Here's another.

That little box just debunked the whole lying Roman Catholic monstrosity. Hee Hee!!!!!

127 posted on 10/29/2002 4:56:58 PM PST by berned
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To: berned
I think that is both premature and an overstatement.
128 posted on 10/29/2002 5:04:07 PM PST by drstevej
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To: polemikos
I'm a cradle and a born again Catholic and I have never understood why the perpetual virginity of the BVM is important.
129 posted on 10/29/2002 5:27:05 PM PST by Mercat
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To: drstevej
I think that is both premature and an overstatement.

I dunno... The RCC hitched it's wagon pretty tight to the whole "Mary was ever-virgin, and we are infallible on stuff like that" thing.

They'll spin this as well and as desperately as the clintons did, but just as a little blue dress exposed the lies of King Willie (for those with eyes to see) -- mighty Rome will forevermore be mocked by a little stone box with a few simple words carved into it.

I love how God works sometimes.

130 posted on 10/29/2002 5:27:05 PM PST by berned
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To: polemikos
I'm a cradle and a born again Catholic and I have never understood why the perpetual virginity of the BVM is important.
131 posted on 10/29/2002 5:27:08 PM PST by Mercat
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To: berned
Biblical Archaeology Review is a very reputable journal. However, additional peer review is in order before I come to any firm conclusions.

Should it be authenticated beyong dispute, there will be step-brother from prior marriage explanations, etc. These will satisfy the faithful and Marian doctrine will persist.

This is why I think your response in premature and overstated. All will go on as before within the RCC.
132 posted on 10/29/2002 5:33:14 PM PST by drstevej
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To: berned
Gee, you are not only an ignoramus but a literary critic too and, wearing your third hat, a terrific stand-up comic at Biblical roasts.

I still await your answers to the simple questions of Post #88. Do you believe in dinosaurs or are they "unScriptural" (lions and T-Rex and bears, oh, my!)? Give us that sentence in Aramaic please. Etc. America wants to know. Tap. Tap. Tap.

Remember how important it is to take your medications.

133 posted on 10/29/2002 5:42:06 PM PST by BlackElk
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To: berned
Gee, you are not only an ignoramus but a literary critic too and, wearing your third hat, a terrific stand-up comic at Biblical roasts.

I still await your answers to the simple questions of Post #88. Do you believe in dinosaurs or are they "unScriptural" (lions and T-Rex and bears, oh, my!)? Give us that sentence in Aramaic please. Etc. America wants to know. Tap. Tap. Tap.

Remember how important it is to take your medications.

134 posted on 10/29/2002 5:43:01 PM PST by BlackElk
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To: drstevej
I agree with you on both points, drsteve.

When I say the RCC has now been debunked, I'm talking about for those who read the Bible (the vast majority of catholics worldwide have never seen the inside of one), and those who genuinely seek Truth.

Those are the ones God speaks to via the James Ossuary.

p.s. the "Brady Bunch Scenario" won't fly for this group of people.

135 posted on 10/29/2002 5:44:32 PM PST by berned
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To: RnMomof7
And I imagine you have a source for your assertion that Mary is to Catholics a co-redemptrix (redeemer is a male gender term)? If not, you might want to retract that over-enthusiastic example of imagination.
136 posted on 10/29/2002 5:51:54 PM PST by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
Ah... here come the de reguere' personal insults, the last bastion of catholic freepers who've been out-debated and have no answers.

Your post # 88 was dealt with in my post # 93. I find it too incoherant to dissect and respond to.

In a previous post you were whining about the ossuary being found by "a muslim" (like somehow that invalidates it or something). So I replied that the Dead Sea Scrolls were found by a Muslim. To which YOU responded QUOTE: "Of what possible relevance are the Dead Sea Scrolls?"

I can't respond to somebody that can't follow a conversation logically.

137 posted on 10/29/2002 5:53:54 PM PST by berned
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To: RnMomof7
Apparently you must have been ignorant when you imagined yourself Catholic which is why you have abandoned the One True Faith for where you are now, without Mass or sacraments, and outside of the Church which Jesus Christ founded just so that you may indulge YOPIOS. What a mess of pottage and you having had an Irish grandmother!
138 posted on 10/29/2002 5:55:36 PM PST by BlackElk
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To: RnMomof7
No, as a matter of fact the "Gospel of Mary" is a gnostic gospel rejected by the Catholic Church in the approval of the final canon of the Bible which was passed on to you guys and truncated by your predecessors in heresy to remove the parts inconvenient to reformation tastes and TOPIOS. If you are studying the gnostic fraudulencies, small wonder you are confused as you seem to be.
139 posted on 10/29/2002 6:00:48 PM PST by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
you have abandoned the One True Faith for where you are now, without Mass or sacraments,

... and also "ever-virgins" who inconveniently have FIVE SONS!!!! LOL!!!

140 posted on 10/29/2002 6:00:52 PM PST by berned
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