Posted on 03/29/2021 7:50:30 AM PDT by redcatcherb412
We commemorate those who fought in the Vietnam War on National Vietnam War Veterans Day, March 29. There’s no doubt that the Vietnam War was one of the most brutal. In fact, over three million people were killed during the 20 years it went on. It was known as the Second Indochina War to Americans, and considering its long fighting time and brutality, National Vietnam War Veterans Day was created to honor all the men and women who fought during its time.
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And now look. Vietnam today is probably freer than the US.
But that doesn’t take anything away from the heroes who fought for this country.
But, in a perverse reverse looking looking way, wasn't that the point of the war, to spread democracy and/or capitalism and some peace to the region? Even if it's shrouded in the communism that the pols of the time stated the war was going to get rid of? In the end the brand of communism in the day was morphed to capitalism. Kind of weird as we find ourselves sliding into the version of communism in the U.S. that was the life of the North Vietnamese at that time.
I still get some agent orange compensation.
The point of Vietnam was to stop Soviet expansionism. I’ve heard to ludicrous suggestion that Ho Chi Minh was Vietnam’s “George Washington”. He was a Comintern agent from 1917 on, and was actually a founding member of The French Communist Party when he lived in Paris.
Credit to Vietnam, in that the mid-80’s they recognized that Communism just flat out didn’t work, and pretty much ditched it.
Bttt.
5.56mm
Yes. Up until Vietnam, Soviet expansion was pretty much progressing with very little pushback. When Reagan came into office, we stopped them cold.
The comparison of Ho Chi Minh with George Washington which I have commonly heard is insulting.
George Washington was a great man, one of the greatest in history for those who believe in individual rights and liberty.
When King George III heard that Washington was going to step down following the end of formal hostilities, the King said “If he does that, he will be the greatest man in the world.”
He did, and he was.
Washington believed in the concept of Liberty, the rule of law, and individual freedom. That scumbag Ho Chi Minh was a communist party functionary who believed in all things communist and all that went along with it.
I agree Vietnam deserves some credit there.
Vietnam put an end to communism.
That was the last revolution with real communists.
These fights in Central America and Africa were not communist revolutions. They were dictators pretending to be communists.
Vietnam, after their successful communist takeover, turned into junk.
War with Cambodia.
War with China.
Now, the only things they have to sell is cheap labor and their young boys to old homosexuals.
Communism, for a good 60 years, was pretty scary.
But, it turned out to be the same old thing with new packaging.
“We’ll make you rich if you fight and die for us.”
Vietnam, while extremely frustrating, finally caused the wave of communism to reach its high tide mark, and then recede into dictatorships.
Don't like remembering the happy horsepucky we went through when we got back - but we had each other, anyway.
Semper Fi.
Ho was in Versailles during the Peace Conference negotiations to end WW I. He tried to get to the powers that be (Wilson) at that conference to facilitate Vietnam’s independence or at least resolve it’s status under the French. He was turned away as a nobody pretty much. He was, by that time, a committed Socialist.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-09-18/little-known-story-vietnamese-communist-leader-ho-chi-minh-s-admiration-us
in Paris in 1918-19, Ho Chi Minh hooked up with other Vietnamese nationalists â remember, thousands of Vietnamese and other subjects from France’s colonies had been brought to Europe for the first time to assist with World War I.
US President Woodrow Wilson had put forth a list of 14 points as a basis for a peace settlement and one of these was the principle of self-determination. It’s likely he was directing this at Europe, but colonial peoples everywhere were inspired by this to seek independence from their European colonial masters.
So, Ho Chi Minh and his fellow Vietnamese nationalists petitioned Wilson when he came to France for the Versailles Peace Conference in 1919. They wanted help to get their freedom from France, but were ignored.”
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A complete lie, the Comintern instructed their agents to deceive. But they wanted to forment the worldwide Revolution, and that was what Ho was committed to.
I blame the loss on LBJ and McNamara with their mico-managing. I also blame Cronkite and other media for claiming TET was a loss. General Giap says in his memoir he was ready to give in after you guys success with TET. He says he re-considered while watching the anti-war movement grow in the US.
I still believe it was a righteous war to stop the spread of communism. You all have my admiration.
I've read VN is now a tourist destination. However, isn't their official government still communist?
In name, they just want their cut of the action now, is all.
I still say the Republic of South Vietnam lost it. I think they did a poor job of winning hearts and minds.
In fact, we may see American troops back in Vietnam in the not-so-distant future to deter the ChiComs.
Even Ho said, “I’d rather smell French s___ for five years, than Chinese s___ for a thousand years.”
What is YOUR source for your speculation and conjecture?
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/weai/exeas/asian-revolutions/pdf/ho-chi-minh-timeline.pdf
Along those lines, I've read the Philippines is considering allowing the US military back to deter China. Don't know if I'm for or against.
And my understanding is that there is absolutely no ill-will towards American tourists in Vietnam, and they are treated very well. If they mention the war, they focus on the part of the war they fought against the French and not the Americans.
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