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Pagans fight for divine rights of old Greek gods
Scotsman ^ | September 21, 2003 | MATTHEW BRUNWASSER

Posted on 09/24/2003 6:28:19 AM PDT by NYer

IN THE shadow of Mount Olympus the toga-clad worshippers sway to the beating of a drum as the bearded man leading the ceremony throws a pinch of grain into a torch, then circles his hand above the flames.

While the group, dressed in yellow, red and blue robes, may appear to be taking part in some bewildering historical re-enactment, they are members a growing pagan movement dedicated to resurrecting the religion and way of life of ancient Greece.

The pagans have gathered in a meadow near the sacred mountain where their ancestors believed the gods lived and held court to perform a naming ceremony for a nine-month-old boy, Nikoforos Xanthopoulos.

The bearded man officiating, Tryphon Olympios, 58, from Skliva in southern Greece, was a philosophy professor at Stockholm University for 25 years.

"May he be worthy of being Greek" Olympios calls out.

"Worthy," the crowd roars in response.

Leaders of the "return of the Hellenes" movement say they have 2,000 "hard-core" practising followers, about 5,000 who travel to Mount Olympus, 100km southwest of the city of Thessaloniki in northern Greece, for the annual celebration, and 100,000 "sympathisers" who support their ideas.

The colourful Hellenes are viewed with interest by many in Greek society but largely ridiculed by the media. Yet their unsuccessful efforts to be recognised as an "official" Greek religion highlight Greece’s intolerance of the expression of non-Christian religions.

Olympios - now his legal name - is one of the founders of the revival. He first attracted national media attention when he publicly married his wife in an ancient ceremony in 1987.

"We want to take the world view, concepts, ideas, religion and values of the ancient Greeks, the founders of western civilisation, and adapt them to today," Olympios explained. "The Greek way is to establish a scientific society. Christianity today is hostile to science."

The Hellenes have dozens of websites and books on ancient history, culture and ideas. Ancient Greek language courses and unofficial associations are popping up throughout the country. They also hold ancient ceremonies for weddings and funerals, although only the rites of Greek Orthodox Christian clergy are legally recognised.

"We think of Carl Sagan as a Greek, and all the people in the world who love knowledge and don’t hate others," said Giannis Psomiadis, 48, a medical doctor at the naming ceremony. "We wouldn’t have Socrates or Plato without polytheism."

One of the group’s followers is Cornelia Buschbeck. The 32-year-old from Chemnitz, in the former East Germany, was wearing a white T-shirt showing a picture of a bust of Zeus.

She started teaching herself Greek at 15, and later obtained university degrees in Greek and archeology. She moved to Thessaloniki eight years ago.

"It’s a religion from here," said Buschbeck, placing a hand on her heart, "rather than here," pointing to her head.

Buschbeck explained that Hellenes do not worship the pantheon of 12 gods as deities. Rather, each god represents a natural phenomena or human value.

The movement appeals to many different tastes: for some it provides an intellectually satisfying philosophy, for others an antidote to the Greek Church’s political power, New Age reverence for the ancient or something exotic for the curiosity-seeker.

However, the movement has also attracted a small number of more sinister followers; right-wing nationalists who believe their anti-Semitic views are reflected in its rejection of the Judeo-Christian religion.

Meanwhile, the Hellenes are viewed with disdain by the Greek Orthodox Church.

About 200 yards from the meadow where the naming ceremony was being held, a small crowd filed out of a stone Christian church, following a baptism. When the priest was asked for comment, he responded with hostility: "I have only one word to say about them: idolaters."

The Hellenes still mourn the end of their civilisation in the 4th Century AD, when Christians representing the new official religion of the Roman Empire began destroying their temples, statues and libraries.

"The Greek Orthodox Christian Church is still at the scene of the crime," said Vlassis Rassias, a human resources manager at a bank, who writes books about ancient Greek history. The 44-year-old is indignant that the Greek Orthodox Church today builds new churches at every site where an ancient temple is uncovered.

One group of Hellenes, led by Panaghiotis Marinis, from the Committee for the Recognition of the Greek Religion Dodecatheon, applied two years ago for the movement to be officially recognised. The Greek government has still to make a decision on the application and, without official recognition, the group cannot build temples, have an office, or hold public ceremonies.

"We are the only religion in the world not allowed to visit our sacred sites," said Marinis. He intends to take his case to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg if the Greek government does not act.

According to the US State Department’s 2002 human rights report on Greece: "Laws restrictive of freedom of speech remained in force, and some legal restrictions and administrative obstacles on freedom of religion persisted."

Making Greek society more tolerant will not be easy. According to official figures, 98% of Greeks are Greek Orthodox Christians. And Hellenes report occasional harassment. During one ceremony at a lake near Mount Olympus, Buschbeck recalls, the local Greek Orthodox Christian Bishop and some monks led a group of 100 people to the other side of the lake to oppose them. The Bishop shouted at them through a megaphone, and played cloister music through a PA system to drown out their ceremony.

"The Bishop said they would have to throw a cross in the lake to cleanse it of us," Buschbeck said. When the Hellenes complained to police, they were told it would be better that they leave, rather than have a stand-off with the Bishop.

At the Greek Ministry of National Education and Religious Affairs, Konstantinos Kontogiannis, general director of the religion directorate, claimed recognition of the movement was being considered "at the highest levels". But he added:

"We might love Manchester United, but we can’t say it’s a religion."


TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Current Events; General Discusssion; History; Orthodox Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: apollo; faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; olympics; zeus
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"The Greek way is to establish a scientific society. Christianity today is hostile to science."

How much more scientific can society become?! Perhaps these folks support human cloning as a way to expand their band of pagan worshipers.

1 posted on 09/24/2003 6:28:20 AM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; livius; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ...
"Everything old is new again" PING!
2 posted on 09/24/2003 6:29:22 AM PDT by NYer (Catholic and living it.)
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To: NYer
An historical perspective through the eyes of this group:

CHRISTIAN PERSECUTIONS AGAINST THE HELLENES

3 posted on 09/24/2003 6:34:38 AM PDT by NYer (Catholic and living it.)
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(1) Their described ritual has nothing to do with the rites of pagan Greek religion.

Greek religious ritual was based on animal sacrifice and sexual orgies.

Their religion is just made up and has no historical basis.

(2) Recognition of a religion by the state in the EU means government subsidies for the religion. "Olympios" is looking for a handout, not religious freedom.

(3) Neither their made-up religion nor the authentic polytheistic religion of ancient Greece has anything to do with science or rationality. The scientific understanding of the Greeks arose as a reaction against the clumsy and primitive notions of Greek religion and their inadequacy for explaining the world.

Aristotle's Unmoved Mover was not Zeus the celestial rapist.

This whole thing is so stupid, only a university professor could have come up with it.

4 posted on 09/24/2003 6:39:50 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake
only a university professor could have come up with it.

Lol ... that's some field trip he's taken his students on.

5 posted on 09/24/2003 7:01:12 AM PDT by NYer (Catholic and living it.)
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"The 44-year-old is indignant that the Greek Orthodox Church today builds new churches at every site where an ancient temple is uncovered."

Funny.
6 posted on 09/24/2003 7:05:56 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: wideawake; NYer
Revelation 9:11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.[ 9:11 Abaddon and Apollyon mean Destroyer.]

A religion of demons.

7 posted on 09/24/2003 7:06:55 AM PDT by xzins
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To: NYer
Like the Druid "religion" in Britain, Wiccans here, and pagans everywhere, the Christain church is being attacked by the list of usual suspects.
8 posted on 09/24/2003 7:13:53 AM PDT by redgolum
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A religion of demons.

It certainly is, and professedly so. Any worshipper of the Greek pantheon is by definition a worshipper of Pluto - the lord of Hell.

9 posted on 09/24/2003 7:16:29 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake
Any worshipper of the Greek pantheon is by definition a worshipper of Pluto ...
And Uranus : )
10 posted on 09/24/2003 7:21:51 AM PDT by eastsider
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The Greek way is to establish a scientific society.

TOGA! TOGA!

toga Toga Toga TOGA TOGA! TOGA!


11 posted on 09/24/2003 7:28:36 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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"I gave my love a cherry that had no stone . . . "
12 posted on 09/24/2003 7:35:41 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake
"I gave my love a chicken that had no bone . . . "
13 posted on 09/24/2003 7:39:41 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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"The Hellenes still mourn the end of their civilisation in the 4th Century AD, when Christians representing the new official religion of the Roman Empire began destroying their temples, statues and libraries."

Hey, you snooze, you lose.

But, man, they must live to a ripe old age in Greece if they still have people around who saw that.

What an interesting coincidence that I happen to be re-reading Chesterton's The Everlasting Man just now. Very pertinent.
14 posted on 09/24/2003 7:58:21 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
If you click on the link in my #3 post .. now this is funny!

314 Immediately after its full legalisation, the Christian Church attacks the Gentiles: The Council of Ancyra denounces the worship of Goddess Artemis.

324 Emperor Constantine declares Christianism as the only official Religion of the Roman Empire. In Dydima, Minor Asia, he sacks the Oracle of the God Apollo and tortures the pagan priests to death. He also evicts all the Gentiles from Mt. Athos and destroys all the local Hellenic Temples.

15 posted on 09/24/2003 8:05:09 AM PDT by NYer (Catholic and living it.)
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To: wideawake

Pluto - the lord of Hell.
16 posted on 09/24/2003 8:07:40 AM PDT by NYer (Catholic and living it.)
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Poor babies! I guess after 300 years of martyring Christians, what goes around comes around!

They act like this was all a big surprise that a Christian state should consider the Pagans dangerous.

I find it funny that Christians apparently aren't gentiles (is the author implying they are all Jews???).
17 posted on 09/24/2003 8:21:24 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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324 Emperor Constantine declares Christianism as the only official Religion of the Roman Empire.
Constantine made Christianity a recognized religion; Theodosius (379-395) completed the process by making Christianity the only recognized religion.
18 posted on 09/24/2003 8:22:42 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: NYer
If only Disney had known what he was starting....
19 posted on 09/24/2003 8:26:40 AM PDT by Bat_Chemist (1 Thess. 5:16-18)
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To: NYer
I loved that, too. As for the gods, Plato's view of the divine was so different from that of Greek mythology that Hellenic Jews "accused" him of having ripped off Moses.
20 posted on 09/24/2003 8:41:49 AM PDT by RobbyS (nd)
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