Posted on 08/01/2003 1:56:57 PM PDT by Commander8
The Scriptures are crystal-clear on that point. Proverbs encourages the young man, "Rejoice in the wife of your youth. As a loving hind and a graceful doe, Let her breasts satisfy you at all times; Be exhilarated always with her love." (Proverbs 5:18-19).
Definately not the words of a sexually repressive religion.....
At the same time, I would affirm here and now: basic modesty is not repressiveness. As a guy, I know how hard it is to keep our minds pure when women dress provocatively. A little consideration for us men sure goes a long way....
My mom, a schoolteacher at a Christian high school, related some interesting conversations. Some of the girls dressed immodestly because they want to attract guys' attention -- but they were dismayed that they noticed them for their bodies, and not their personalities.
Are any of the other Catholics on this thread thinking what I'm thinking.
LOL A Keeper
I do not think that is the point of the women here. As women and mothers we would not favor sexually provocative clothing.....men had best not be like Adam and tell God his sin was "because of the woman you gave me"
I didn't think it was.
As women and mothers we would not favor sexually provocative clothing.....
I'd be more suprised if y'all did.
men had best not be like Adam and tell God his sin was "because of the woman you gave me"
No... men sin because we have fallen hearts. Suggestive clothing only exacerbates the problem. We're responsible for our thoghts. It's just that women could really help us out a little....
We can't know if you don't tell us what they are, can we?
I suppose that one can always make the argument that there is something worse somewhere else. This is the game of hypocrites. I suppose the priest you reference tell themselves that they're not Hitler after all.
The "scandal " of the Bakers was not her make up. It was greed and sexual sin.
The makeup was symbolic of the shallowness and hypocrisy. If ever there was a "painted sepulchre," it was Tammy Faye.
We are surely blessed that God looks on the heart and not the Max Factor
In the parable of the guests at the wedding feast, the ones who were not dressed appropriately were thrown out into the darkness where they would wail and gnash their teeth.
Haven't noticed that as a problem lately. So far my observation of burkas in the United States has turned up exactly zero. Kind of like Eric Idle and his camel spotting in the Monty Python skit.
Immodesty in dress, on the other hand, is an epidemic that surrounds us on all sides. It is a corrosive influence that is destroying any hope of happiness either in this life or the next life for millions of young women. So I think your "on the one hand, on the other hand" approach totally misses the point.
And speaking of burkas, just because Muslims do something doesn't make it terrible, although most people on FR seem to think so. Modest head coverings for women have been a Christian tradition in Western Europe just as much as they have been in the Middle East. Just yesterday I saw some Amish people at a highway rest stop, and the women were all wearing modest clothing and head coverings that would not have made a Muslim woman ashamed. Perhaps we should learn by their example.
Do not be a stumbling block to others. Your callous disregard of men and their desires is un-Christian. How many immodest women have led some little ones astray and would have been better off putting a millstone around their necks?
How very true. I think the point of this article, and the point of your post, is that just going along with popular culture is not going to work with your children. You need to take a position radically contrary to popular culture and all that it entails. This includes the media, dress, education, etc.
This is true. However, a realistic appraisal tells us that failure is inevitable for most parents unless the wider culture is supporting them and directing them into the right paths. There are precious few parents who are capable of raising devout Christian children in the midst of a pagan culture.
1 How graceful are your feet in sandals, O queenly maiden! Your rounded thighs are like jewels, the work of a master hand. 2 Your navel is a rounded bowl that never lacks mixed wine. Your belly is a heap of wheat, encircled with lilies. 3 Your two breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle. 4 Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are pools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bath-rab'bim. Your nose is like a tower of Lebanon, overlooking Damascus. 5 Your head crowns you like Carmel, and your flowing locks are like purple; a king is held captive in the tresses. 6 How fair and pleasant you are, O loved one, delectable maiden! 7 You are stately as a palm tree, and your breasts are like its clusters. 8 I say I will climb the palm tree and lay hold of its branches. Oh, may your breasts be like clusters of the vine, and the scent of your breath like apples, 9 and your kisses like the best wine that goes down smoothly, gliding over lips and teeth. 10 I am my beloved's, and his desire is for me. 11 Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the fields, and lodge in the villages; 12 let us go out early to the vineyards, and see whether the vines have budded, whether the grape blossoms have opened and the pomegranates are in bloom. There I will give you my love. 13 The mandrakes give forth fragrance, and over our doors are all choice fruits, new as well as old, which I have laid up for you, O my beloved.
Don't read this book. It shows a callous disregard of men and their desires.
The Song of Songs is allegorical. And if you're going to bring up Solomon, don't forget that he was conceived in an adulterous union with a woman whose husband was killed by King David. What started the trouble? When King David saw her naked. Later Solomon himself was led astray by the Queen of Sheba and died in a state of idolatry.
This picture wasn't taken in the US, was it? So you are deliberately falsifying my point that the observed number of burkas in the US is zero so far. The "burka problem" that you propose as equally dangerous as the problem of immodest clothing remains non-existent.
In my previous post I already supplied an example of modest head covering worn by Christian women right here in the United States: those worn by the Amish.
It's really time you took a look inward rather than blaming women for the problems of the entire world. You can and are only meant to control yourself, not the entire female gender. The sooner you come to terms with this the better off you will be.
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