The Crucifix Scandal

Catholic Exchange ^ | 7/21/03 | Patty Bonds

[Pyro7480]

BUMP!

[el_chupacabra]

I had a mormon friend tell me my Crucifix was "morbid" because it was like "wearing a knife around your neck to remind you that your son was stabbed to death."

(She felt that way about all crosses, not just those bearing the corpus)

[ET(end tyranny)]

Probably has something to do with idolatry.

Deuteronomy 5
6   I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7   Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
8   Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

Exodus 20
2   I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3   Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4   Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Exodus 34:17
Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.


Isaiah 42
17   They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.

graven image from the Hebrew
6459 pecel peh'-sel from 6458; an idol:--carved (graven) image.
1) idol, image


6458 pacal paw-sal' a primitive root; to carve, whether wood or stone:--grave, hew.
1) to cut, hew, hew into shape
a) (Qal) to hew, hew out, quarry


molten image from the Hebrew
4541 maccekah mas-say-kaw' from 5258; properly, a pouring over, i.e. fusion of metal (especially a cast image); by implication, a libation, i.e. league; concretely a coverlet (as if poured out):--covering, molten (image), vail.
1) a pouring, libation, molten metal, cast image, drink offering
a) libation (with covenant sacrifice)
b) molten metal, molten image, molten gods
2) web, covering, veil, woven stuff

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

There is one thing of which demons are frightened: the Crucifix. Christ on the Crucifix, not an empty cross. Good enough for me.

Good post.

[Polycarp]

Fool.

"And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20).

"Make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live" (Num. 21:8–9).

"[David gave Solomon the plan for the] golden chariot of the cherubim [statues of angels] that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18–19).

"On the [Temple] walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim." (Ezekiel 41:17–18)

In the above verses, God Himself commands that graven images be made. Now either God and the Bible contradict themselves, or your interpretation of the Commandment against the making of images is wrong.

The answer, of course, is that your interpretation of the Commandment is wrong. God approves of the use of statuary, stained glass, ikons, and other graven images when they are used for their intended purpose: the glorification and adoration of God. God forbade the adoration of the statues themselves, and of the Canaanite "gods" the statues represented, not the making of graven images per se.

[ET(end tyranny)]

Were people kneeling to the cherubs? Did they think the cherubs were god?

How many ways can Exodus 34:17 be interpreted?

Exodus 34:17
Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

[american colleen]

Wonderful essay, thanks for finding and posting it.

I have a Fundamentalist Baptist friend who thinks Christ on the Crucifix is awful and an abomination. He cannot understand that Catholics do not worship images, but that they are a reminder, especially the Crucifix, of what Jesus Christ endured for our salvation. An empty cross is just that, empty. And a cross with a statue of the risen Christ is just not biblical (but very popular in a lot of churches, I notice).

I found it kind of ironic that this same man has a picure in his office of his little daughter kissing a cross with her eyes closed. The picture is beautiful but I'm reminded that for him, everything Catholics do is for the wrong reasons.

[Land of the Irish]

Thank you for the post. Yesterday, I just happened to get a crucifix blessed for my youngest daughter.

[Pyro7480]

Were people kneeling to the cherubs? Did they think the cherubs were god?

Catholics kneel before God, not "to" statues, regardless of what you may perceive. We also don't think the saints and/or their statues are gods. There is only one God in three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

[Snuffington]

How many ways can Exodus 34:17 be interpreted?

If you can't see the difference between worshipping a golden calf, and a Christian displaying a crucifix, don't blame Exodus for not being clear.

[Polycarp]

Were people kneeling to the cherubs? Did they think the cherubs were god?

Neither do Catholics think any kind of statuary are "gods." That exists only in the fevered and bigoted imaginations of anti-Catholics.

[Polycarp]

If you can't see the difference between worshipping a golden calf, and a Christian displaying a crucifix, don't blame Exodus for not being clear.

But its so hard to refuse to be disabused of the notion that Catholics worship statues when you put it that way! That's not fair!

[NYer]

I knew I needed to be constantly reminded of the price my Lord had paid for my salvation so that I would stop this presumptuous disregard for His will in my life.

Patty Bonds has a deeper understanding of salvation than my parish priest. Like Patty's history teacher, my RC pastor often says that Christ was only on the cross for 3 hours but is risen forever. Unlike Patty, he does not want to be reminded of the price paid for his salvation.

THE HISTORY OF THE SAN DAMIANO CROSS

[LiteKeeper]

read later

[LiteKeeper]

There is one thing of which demons are frightened: the Crucifix. Christ on the Crucifix, not an empty cross. Good enough for me.

And you know this to be a fact how...?

[Polycarp]

Two months ago, one of my nursing home patients noticed the 3 inch crucifix I wear at all time. He's an old Baptist, and exclaimed, "Why do you Catholics keep Christ on that cross?!?"

I responded that like Paul, "We preach only Christ, and Christ crucified."

He didn't say anything more.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Exorcisms by Catholic and Orthodox priests. And by personal experience. Can't beat those personal spiritual experiences, can you?

[Hermann the Cherusker]

So why where graven images of things like Cherubom placed by order of God on the Ark of the Covenant and the Temple?