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To: RnMomof7; George W. Bush; MarMema
Not only have we Catholics canonized St. Alphonsus, but the Pope declared his writings free of all doctrinal and moral errors. He is therefore considered by us as the surest guide on the several topics he specialized in, including the Doctrines of the Council of Trent, Moral Theology, and Mariology, just as we consider St. Thomas Aquinas the preeminent Dogmatic Theologian, and require our seminarians be formed by studying his explanations of Revelation, Philosophy, and Theology.

We also follow the Second Council of Nicea and ANATHEMATIZE those who do not implore the intercession of the Blessed Virgin:

"The Lord, the apostles and the prophets have taught us that we must venerate in the first place the Holy Mother of God, who is above all the heavenly powers ... If anyone does not confess that the holy, ever-virgin Mary, really and truly the Mother of God, is higher than all creatures visible and invisible, and does not implore, with a sincere faith, her intercession, given her powerful access to our God born of her, let him be anathema." (Second Council of Nicea, Session IV, AD 787)

The book even says that there is no salvation outside of Mary.

That's not an exact extract from the book, but the gist of what is meant is taught by the 7th Ecumenical Council above. Prayer for Blessed Mary's intercession is viewed by us as a vital necessity.

We fly to your patronage, O Holy Mother of God:
despise not our petitions in our necessities,
but deliver us always from all dangers,
O Glorious and Blessed Virgin.
-Prayer "Sub tuum", 3rd Century AD, Egypt

130 posted on 07/08/2003 7:55:04 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
In contrast, here is what the Orthodox church says, from my link in a previous post ( dormition).

"The services of the feast repeat the main theme, that the Mother of Life has "passed over into the heavenly joy, into the divine gladness and unending delight" of the Kingdom of her Son. (Vesper verse) The Old Testament readings, as well as the gospel readings for the Vigil and the Divine Liturgy, are exactly the same as those for the feast of the Virgin's nativity and her entrance into the Temple. Thus, at the Vigil we again hear Mary say: "My soul magnifies the Lord and my Spirit rejoices in God my Saviour." (Luke 1:47) At the Divine Liturgy we hear the letter to the Philippians where St. Paul speaks of the self-emptying of Christ who condescends to human servitude and ignoble death in order to be "highly exalted" by God his Father. (Philippians 2:5-11) And once again we hear in the Gospel that Mary's blessedness belongs to all who "hear the word of God and keep it." (Luke 11:27-28)

"Thus, the feast of the Dormition of the Theotokos is the celebration of the fact that all men are "highly exalted" in the blessedness of the victorious Christ, and that this high exaltation has already been accomplished in Mary the Theotokos. The feast of the Dormition is the sign, the guarantee, and the celebration that Mary's fate is, the destiny of all those of "low estate" whose souls magnify the Lord, whose spirits rejoice in God the Saviour, whose lives are totally dedicated to hearing and keeping the Word of God which is given to men in Mary's child, the Saviour and Redeemer of the world.

Finally it must be stressed that, in all of the feasts of the Virgin Mother of God in the Church, the Orthodox Christians celebrate facts of their own lives in Christ and the Holy Spirit. What happens to Mary happens to all who imitate her holy life of humility, obedience, and love. With her all people will be "blessed" to be "more honorable than the cherubim and beyond compare more glorious than the seraphim" if they follow her example. All will have Christ born in them by the Holy Spirit. All will become temples of the living God. All will share in the eternal life of His Kingdom who live the life that Mary lived. In this sense everything that is praised and glorified in Mary is a sign of what is offered to all persons in the life of the Church. It is for this reason that Mary, with the divine child Jesus within her, is called in the Orthodox Tradition the Image of the Church. For the assembly of the saved is those in whom Christ dwells.

132 posted on 07/08/2003 8:08:05 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Naturally, you are forced to resort to the writings of mere men to support Rome's preposterous claims.

Let's illuminate the canons of Rome against the true light and steady guide of scripture, our sure and unfailing guide.



            IMMACULATE CONCEPTION --  Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her conception. (Catechism 490-492).

            In Luke 1:46-47, Mary said: “My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour”.   Mary knew that she needed a savior.

            The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was first introduced by a heretic (a man whose teachings were officially declared to be contrary to Church doctrine).  For centuries this doctrine was unanimously rejected by popes, Fathers and theologians of the Catholic Church.

            ALL-HOLY -- Mary, “the All-Holy,” lived a perfectly sinless life.  (Catechism 411, 493)

            Romans 3:23 says “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God”.   Revelation 15:4 says, “Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name?  For thou only art holy”.  Romans 3:10 says, “There is none righteous, no, not one”.

            Jesus is the only person who is referred to in Scripture as sinless.  Hebrews 4:15 says, “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”  2  Corinthians 5:21 says, “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”  1  Peter 2:22 says, Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth”.

            In contrast, Mary said that God is her Savior. (Luke 1:47)  If God was her Savior, then Mary was not sinless.  Sinless people do not need a Savior.

            In the Book of Revelation, when they were searching for someone who was worthy to break the seals and open the scroll, the only person who was found to be worthy was Jesus.  Nobody else in Heaven or on earth (including Mary) was worthy to open the scroll or even look inside it. (Revelation 5:1-5)

            PERPETUAL VIRGINITY -- Mary was a virgin before, during and after the birth of Christ. (Catechism 496-511)

            Matthew 1:24-25 says, “Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.”  “Till” (until) means that after that point, Joseph did “know” (have sexual relations with) Mary.  (See Genesis 4:1 where Adam “knew” Eve and she conceived and had a son.)

            Jesus had brothers and sisters.  The Bible even tells us their names.  Matthew 13:54-56 says,

“And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hatch this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?  Is not this the carpenter’s son?  Is not his mother called Mary?  And his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?  And his sisters, are they not all with us?”

Other Scripture verses which specifically refer to Jesus’ brothers are:  Matthew 12:46; John 2:12; John 7:3; Acts 1:14; and Galatians 1:19.

            I was always taught that “brothers” and “sisters” were general terms that really could refer to any kind of kinsman, including cousins.  This is true in the Hebrew language.  However, the New Testament is written in Greek, which is an extremely precise language.  It makes a clear distinction between the words used to describe family relationships.  There is a Greek word which refers to people who are relatives but not of the immediate family, such as aunts, uncles, nephews, nieces and cousins.  There are other Greek words which refer specifically to a person’s brother or sister within a family.

            MOTHER OF GOD -- Because she is the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God, therefore Mary is the Mother of God. (Catechism 963, 971, 2677).

            The Incarnation means that Jesus was both fully God and fully man.  Mary was only the mother of Jesus as man, and not the mother of Jesus as God.  According to the Bible, the world was created through Jesus.  This was long before Mary was born.  Hebrews 1:1-2 says,

“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds”.

Colossians 1:16-17 says,

“For by him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; all things [including Mary] were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things [including Mary] , and by him all things consist”.

            John 8:58 says, “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.” Jesus existed before Abraham was born.  That means that He also existed before Mary was born.  In John 17:5, Jesus says, “And now O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”  So Jesus existed even before the world began.  Jesus came first -- not Mary.

           

            MOTHER OF THE CHURCH -- Mary is the Mother of the Church. (Catechism 963, 975).

            Acts 1:13-14 gives a picture of a group of people praying together.  Mary is mentioned as one of them, but nothing indicates any special prominence.

“And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Phillip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.  These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.”

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            Mary was probably in the Upper Room when the tongues of fire fell upon the 120 disciples.  However, she is never mentioned again in the Book of Acts, which is our only historical record of how the Church was born.   She is also not specifically identified in the epistles.  Paul did send greetings to “Mary”, but that was a common name.  (In the Gospels and in the Book of Acts, she is referred to as “Mary the mother of Jesus” to distinguish her from other women named Mary.)

            It is notable that John, who took Mary into his home after Jesus was crucified, does not mention her in his epistles, and he only mentions her on two occasions in his Gospel (the wedding at Cana and the crucifixion of Jesus).  John mentions Mary Magdalene more than he mentions Jesus' mother.

            ASSUMPTION -- At the end of her life, Mary was taken up (“assumed”)  body and soul into Heaven. (Catechism 966, 974)

            There is no biblical reference to the assumption of Mary.  The Gospel of John was written around 90 A.D., which is more than 100 years after Mary was born.  (Surely Mary was more than ten years old when Jesus was conceived.)  If Mary had been supernaturally assumed into Heaven, wouldn’t John (the disciple that Mary lived with) have mentioned it?  When Enoch and Elijah were taken up to Heaven, the Bible recorded it.  With Elijah it was recorded in some detail.  (See Genesis 6:24 and 2 Kings 2:1-18.)

            The Assumption of Mary was officially declared to be a dogma of the Roman Catholic faith in 1950.  This means that every Roman Catholic is required to believe this doctrine without questioning it.  However, as we will see, the teaching of the Assumption originated with heretical writings which were officially condemned by the early Church.

            In 495 A.D., Pope Gelasius issued a decree which rejected this teaching as heresy and its proponents as heretics.  In the sixth century, Pope Hormisdas also condemned as heretics those authors who taught the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary.  The early Church clearly considered the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary to be a heresy worthy of condemnation.  Here we have “infallible” popes declaring something to be a heresy.  Then in 1950, Pope Pius XII, another “infallible” pope, declared it to be official Roman Catholic doctrine.

            CO-MEDIATOR -- Mary is the Co-Mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions. (Catechism 968-970, 2677) 

            There is only one mediator and that is Jesus.  1 Timothy 2:5-6 says, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”   Hebrews 7:25 says,Wherefore he [Jesus] is able to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”  Ephesians 3:12 says, “In whom [Jesus} we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.”

            If Jesus is constantly interceding for us and He is able to save us “to the uttermost,” (utterly, completely)  then He doesn’t need Mary’s help.  If we can approach God with “boldness” and “confidence”  because of our faith in Jesus, then we don't need Mary’s help either.

            QUEEN OF HEAVEN -- God has exalted Mary in heavenly glory as Queen of Heaven and earth. (Catechism 966)  She is to be praised with special devotion.  (Catechism 971, 2675)

            Psalm 148:13 says, “Let them praise the name of the Lord: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.”  This makes it quite clear that only God’s name (not Mary’s) is to be exalted.  (In Catholic Bibles the numbering of the chapters and verses of some of the Psalms is slightly different.)

            When people tried to give Mary special honor and pre-eminence because she was His mother, Jesus corrected them.

“And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.  But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”  (Luke 11:27-28)

            In chapters four and five of the Book of Revelation, we are given a quite detailed picture of Heaven.  God is seated on the throne, surrounded by 24 elders and four living creatures.  The Lamb (Jesus) is standing in the center of the throne.  Thousands upon thousands of angels circle the throne, singing God's praises.  And Mary is not in the picture at all.




Mary, pope and priests: this is your faith in modern times. It is the choice of your hierarchy. No Orthodox or Protestant forced this upon you.
147 posted on 07/08/2003 9:45:06 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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