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To: Land of the Irish
Let's take these three points one by one.

". The rite of St. Pius V cannot be considered abolished and the Holy Father has expressed his benevolent welcome to all the faithful who, recognizing the legitimacy of the Roman Rite renewed in accordance with the indications of the Council, remain attached to the previous normative rite."

Wrong. The Novus Ordo was not renewed in accordance with the indications of the Council. This is patently false.

". Several citations from the Second Vatican Council paved the way to establishing the principle contained in the Introduction of the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy which states: 'Holy Mother Church holds all lawfully recognized rites to be of equal right and dignity; that she wishes to preserve them in the future and to foster them in every way.'"

But this was stated BEFORE the new rite was fabricated in such a false way. All rites previously had evolved organically under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and therefore could be considered of equal right and dignity. But the Novus Ordo was concocted by a committee of humanists, and is considered seriously deficient, even by great liturgists such as Klaus Gamber. There has been a clamor for its reform almost from day one.

"3. For that reason the old Roman rite preserves its place in the Church within the multiplicity of Catholic rites, both Latin and Oriental. What unites these diverse rites is the same faith in the Eucharistic mystery, whose profession has always assured the unity of the Church."

But the New Rite and the Old Mass cannot be so united. They are poles apart in theology and in outlook on the Eucharist. The Novus Ordo not only does not encourage respect for the Eucharistic mystery, it actually encourages the opposite by pushing for Communion in the hand, by reducing genuflections and kneeling, and by ignoring the mystery of the Real Presence in favor of Christ's virtual presence in the assembly. Its casual informality has led to abuses which have been unprecedented in the history of the Catholic Church. As a result, its advent has led to a great and measurable decline in faith.

4 posted on 06/12/2003 10:21:55 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
The "....casual informality [ of the New Rite ] has led to abuses which have been unprecedented in the history of the Catholic Church.

Dancing Our Prayers Away? is just such a sacrilege being sanctioned by the marxist American Conference of Bishops this weekend in Dallas, Texas.

The dance of the seven veils has been re-named a liturgical dance. A pagan rite that has been performed regularly at Saint Joseph's Basilica in the Diocese of San Jose for years.

Rumor ;?) - In the Vatican II spirit of paying reverence to the symbols of paganism, the pope is seeking to build a roadmap to Roman Catholic hating Muslims by insisting that no less than seventy-two virgins participate in every liturgical dance. Of necessity, this dance will be dependent upon Roman Catholic girls in grades 4 through 12. But that's ok with Muslims who, in walking in the footsteps of their perverted prophet, view nine year old girls as ripe for sexual intimacy.

5 posted on 06/13/2003 7:37:54 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: ultima ratio
It's taken a long time, but after seeing the tridentine and byzantine rites, I have to agree that the novus ordo, AS IT IS MOST FREQUENTLY ENACTED, is a travesty compared to the traditional rites.

I have traveled a good bit lately. In fact I was in Tampa recently at St. Mark's the Evangelist for a confirmation. The music was "nightclub lite." One of the priests kept trying to put the Eucharist into my wife's hands before he realized she was taking it on the tongue. The parish has no kneelers. Most frightening of all was the universal hand-holding. Even the priests and bishop held hands behind the altar with the servers. The parishioners are proud of their piano player who also performs at the Tampa Club. When I asked the pastor about this with respect to Ecclesia de Eucharistia, he said it is a "new parish" and it must be quite a shock to someone from an established parish. He was proud of how large it had grown since he started it. As if the growth of New Tampa weren't the impetus for it's size.
7 posted on 06/13/2003 7:24:28 PM PDT by WriteOn
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