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Interesting article about the Holy Trinity!
1 posted on 06/10/2003 2:31:08 PM PDT by Salvation
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2 posted on 06/10/2003 2:33:36 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
BTTT
3 posted on 06/10/2003 2:36:06 PM PDT by TotusTuus (Ordinary Time: The season of our vocation in the world)
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To: Salvation
read later
4 posted on 06/10/2003 2:57:30 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Salvation; Japedo
Can you ping your friends please.
5 posted on 06/10/2003 3:19:49 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
The apostles looked forward to the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Messiah Yeshua (Titus 2:13). These Jewish apostles are in perfect harmony with the prophet Isaiah, who wrote that the Messiah will be the son that is born to us and "El Gibor," the "Mighty God" (Isaiah 9:6-7).

Great article! Thank you for posting it, Salvation.

From Marty Barrack's Second Exodus site:

Jesus, all His apostles, three of the four evangelists, and many of the disciples, had been Jewish. Since Jewish law provides that a child born to a Jewish mother remains a Jew all his life, the early Christians considered themselves completed Jews (because the messianic prophecies had been fulfilled) and continued to pray in the synagogues. After the Temple fell, more Jews converted to Christianity. The Pharisee rabbis, seeing Judaism become increasingly Christian, resolved to purge it. About 80 A.D. Rabbi Gamaliel, then head of the house of study at Jamnia, inserted into the Shemone Esre prayer the Birkat ha minim (Benediction of the Minim.) It reads:

May apostates have no hope and the kingdom of impertinence be uprooted in our day. May the Nozrim and Minim disappear in the twinkling of an eye. May they be removed from the book of the living and not be inscribed among the just. Bless you, Lord, you who cast down the proud.

The Jewish converts, hearing themselves cursed into eternal fire, withdrew from the synagogues and continued with Holy Mass as their primary worship.

 

6 posted on 06/10/2003 3:38:27 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: Salvation
B'shem haAv, v'haBen, v'Ruach haKodesh, Elohim echod. Amen.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, one God. Amen.

Another good site to visit:
The Association of Hebrew Catholics

10 posted on 06/10/2003 4:04:17 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Salvation
God is ONE. Not that difficult really. Just as you are one. You can have different facets, yet you are ONE.

One light shining through a prism, creates MANY colors, but their source is from the ONE light.

16 posted on 06/10/2003 5:26:21 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Deut. 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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To: Salvation; NYer
Strange that the author should have omitted the OT's most explicit revelation of thr Trinity: when the Lord appeared to Abraham at the oak of Mamre, simultaneously both One and Three:

"Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw [them,] he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, and said, "My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. "Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. "And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant." They said, "Do as you have said." So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, "Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead [it] and make cakes." And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave [it] to a young man, and he hastened to prepare it. So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set [it] before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate. Then they said to him, "Where [is] Sarah your wife?" So he said, "Here, in the tent." And He said, "I will certainly return to you according to the time of life, and behold, Sarah your wife shall have a son." (Sarah was listening in the tent door which [was] behind him.) Now Abraham and Sarah were old, well advanced in age; [and] Sarah had passed the age of childbearing. Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, "After I have grown old, shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?" And the LORD said to Abraham, "Why did Sarah laugh, saying, 'Shall I surely bear [a child,] since I am old?' "Is anything too hard for the LORD? At the appointed time I will return to you, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son." But Sarah denied [it,] saying, "I did not laugh," for she was afraid. And He said, "No, but you did laugh!" Then the men rose from there and looked toward Sodom, and Abraham went with them to send them on the way. And the LORD said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, "since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? "For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the LORD, to do righteousness and justice, that the LORD may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him." And the LORD said, "Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, "I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know." Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the LORD. And Abraham came near and said, "Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? "Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare [it] for the fifty righteous that were in it? "Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?" So the LORD said, "If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes." Then Abraham answered and said, "Indeed now, I who [am but] dust and ashes have taken it upon myself to speak to the Lord: "Suppose there were five less than the fifty righteous; would You destroy all of the city for [lack of] five?" So He said, "If I find there forty-five, I will not destroy [it."] And he spoke to Him yet again and said, "Suppose there should be forty found there?" So He said, "I will not do [it] for the sake of forty." Then he said, "Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Suppose thirty shoul be found there?" So He said, "I will not do [it] if I find thirty there." And he said, "Indeed now, I have taken it upon myself to speak to the Lord: Suppose twenty should be found there?" So He said, "I will not destroy [it] for the sake of twenty." 32 Then he said, "Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak but once more: Suppose ten should be found there?" And He said, "I will not destroy [it] for the sake of ten." So the LORD went His way as soon as He had finished speaking with Abraham; and Abraham returned to his place."

21 posted on 06/10/2003 9:01:47 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Salvation; ET(end tyranny)
The Trinity was first hinted at in the Tenach (the Hebrew Scriptures): In the first verse of the Jewish Bible, God is revealed as a unity with a plurality.

This article is riddled with so many errors it is hard to even know where to begin. The arguments presented here are not new. On the contrary, they are circulated almost verbatim among various trinitarian sites. They betray an appalling dearth of understanding of Judaism, the Hebrew scriptures, and the Hebrew language. This is the sort of stuff that could only be persuasive to those who are already convinced.

I frankly am weary of pointing out the same errors over and over again. For those who are interested in the truth, I recommend Jews for Judaism, Outreach Judaism, and the numerous other counter-missionary websites which have sprung up to refute this sort of thing.

22 posted on 06/10/2003 9:31:38 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: dansangel
((((ping))))
25 posted on 06/11/2003 4:34:20 AM PDT by .45MAN (If you don't like it here try and find a better country, Please!!)
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To: Salvation
A little bit off the topic, but somebody disputed the version of the Lord's Prayer in Aramaic posted here, so I went onto the net to see what I could find.

There sure do be a bunch of versions.

That sent me to the Bible (in English), and when I got to the end of the Lord's Prayer, I just kept reading because it was so wonderful.

I read until I got to something that bothers me.

There used to be more things that bothered me, but one by one they've been explained to me or I've otherwise come to understand them. This one, though, continues to bedevil me.

"10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come."

It's pretty clear that the disciples thought that Jesus would return during their lifetimes, and this looks like a promise to that effect.

Can anybody shed any light on this?
26 posted on 06/11/2003 5:34:47 AM PDT by dsc ("Holistic" is only part of a word.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Ping!

Might be worth your read, Steven.

27 posted on 06/11/2003 5:59:39 AM PDT by al_c
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To: Salvation
Some Problems With Christ As Messiah
39 posted on 06/12/2003 8:42:26 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Salvation

BTTT for Most Holy Trinity Sunday!


46 posted on 05/21/2005 9:07:54 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for your post.

I have saved it and printed it out so
I can read it and understand it. (My
ability to read and comprehend long articles
on a computer screen sucks canal water.)


52 posted on 05/21/2005 11:17:29 AM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Salvation

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58 posted on 05/21/2005 3:20:03 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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