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A fad for young fogeys, or the authentic spirit of Catholicism?
timesonline.co.uk ^ | May 17, 2003 | Bess Twiston Davies

Posted on 05/18/2003 3:07:07 PM PDT by Polycarp

May 17, 2003

A fad for young fogeys, or the authentic spirit of Catholicism?

By Bess Twiston Davies

Forty years after the reforms of Vatican II, the old-rite Latin Mass is enjoying a renaissance in the Catholic Church

INCENSE swirls through the sanctuary, enveloping the neat row of altar servers kneeling on the marble altar steps. A bishop towering above them raises a gold chalice, proclaiming in Latin that it holds the blood of Christ. He is reaching the climax of the Tridentine liturgy, the Mass once standard in the Catholic Church. It includes lengthy Latin prayers, lacunae of silence, an extra Gospel after communion. The priests pray with their backs to the congregation, occasionally breaking into complex bows to the left and right of the altar. To the modern Catholic, it’s a bit of a mystery. Most under 40 grew up with the new rite, which replaced the Tridentine Mass in 1969, dropping Latin for the vernacular and obliging the priest to face his congregation, rather than east — the direction in which Christ is thought to have ascended to Heaven. To the average Catholic, today’s Mass at St James’s, Spanish Place, in Central London seems a scene from another age.

Yet a startling proportion of the priests at the altar look younger than 40. A quick survey of the congregation reveals an equally mixed age group: middle-aged matrons in hats and headscarves sitting next to tiny girls in lace mantillas, elderly men in tweed or blazers wedged between earnest boys, pressing their straightened hands in prayer. All seem plunged into intense, reverent concentration, disturbed only by the odd squeal from a recalcitrant toddler.

The age range reveals the Tridentine Mass to be enjoying a renaissance with younger Catholics. More significantly, it is also producing vocations. Last year, 81 men sought 16 places at the US seminary of the Fraternal Society of St Peter, an order founded in 1988 by the Vatican to train old-rite priests. “We don’t do selfpromotion,” claims Father Arnaud Devillers, the society’s superior. Such statistics have been noted in Rome. Forthcoming Vatican guidelines on liturgy will advocate wider use of the old rite, possibly weekly, say reports in Inside the Vatican magazine.

Until now, whether to allow or forbid the old Mass has been decided by diocesan bishops. “There is a certain idea among bishops that interest in the traditional rite represents the Church of the past, a mentality we don’t want now. We still have to convince them that values important in the Tridentine-rite liturgy, such as reverence, adoration of Christ, and the Mass as sacrifice, can be fruitful for the Church,” argues Loic Merian, founder of Ciel, Le Centre Internationale d’Études Liturgiques, a forum devoted to studying the old rite. “There is a great gulf now between the will of Rome and the bishops. Rome may impose a solution.”

There are signs that it already has: the guest speaker at this year’s annual conference of Ciel UK, Ciel’s English offshoot, is Dom Fernando Areas Rifan, leader of the world’s only Tridentine diocese. Rifan is bishop of the Apostolic Administration of St John Vianney in Campos, northern Brazil.

Under a unique agreement with the Holy See in January 2002, the 30,000 Catholics and 26 priests of Campos now have exclusive permission to celebrate Mass and Sacraments in Latin, using pre-Vatican II liturgy. They had left the Church 21 years previously, after the Bishop of Campos at the time banned the old Mass, imposing the new.

In exile, the Campos Catholics joined forces with the Society of St Pius X (SSPX), Tridentinist schismatics who refuse to attend the new rite. In 1988 the Pope excommunicated the society’s leader, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. Now, impressed by the piety of SSPX members visiting Rome, he is wooing them back. Plans are afoot for a Tridentine-rite parish in Berlin run by Tridentine-rite priests in conjunction with priests belonging to the traditional but mainstream Congregation of St Philip Neri.

These developments are not universally welcome. Most Catholics are utterly indifferent to the Tridentine rite, claims Father Bruno Healy, parish priest at St Joseph’s, Bunhill Row, in the City of London. “The Tridentine Mass would interest only 5 per cent or perhaps 1 per cent of the people in the pews,” he says. “There are young fogeys who like it but I think they are just chasing something esoteric. Their interest mystifies and saddens me. They talk of the old Mass, but every Mass is new, fresh and unique. I put my heart and soul into every Mass I say, and I think most priests would say that it is wonderful to speak to people in their own tongue.”

Thirty-two-year-old Brian McCall disagrees: “The Tridentine Mass teaches humility, being conscious of sinfulness, obedience. I went for 25 years to the new Mass and I didn’t think any of those things had anything to do with being Catholic.” He worships at St Bede’s, Clapham Park, in London, one of the rare English parishes to offer Tridentine Masses daily and on Sundays.

“There is a tendency to allow Tridentine masses at 3pm on a Sunday,” says Dom Andrew Southwell, a priest from St Bede’s who serves old-rite Catholics outside London. “This is given as a way containing traditionalists who are seen as an eccentric fringe group, but there is a crying pastoral need to respond to young families.”

Once a month, St Bede’s organises a family day, including a sung Tridentine Mass, doctrinal talk and vespers. Colette Oliver is one of the 200 who attend with her four children. Despite the Latin, she finds the old-rite Mass child- friendly. “In church my children are angelic, they are not immaculately behaved outside and used to be horrible in the new-rite Mass. People often say that the trappings and the incense are boring and too much for children. This isn’t true — they capture the kids’ imagination.”

“I was amazed when the families started coming to the old-rite Mass,” says St Bede’s parish priest, Father Christopher Basden. “It went against all our 1970s assumptions that what modern Catholics wanted was a liturgy that was relaxed, contemporary, a bit jazzy.”

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1 posted on 05/18/2003 3:07:07 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; aposiopetic; Aquinasfan; ...
“I was amazed when the families started coming to the old-rite Mass,” says St Bede’s parish priest, Father Christopher Basden. “It went against all our 1970s assumptions that what modern Catholics wanted was a liturgy that was relaxed, contemporary, a bit jazzy.”
2 posted on 05/18/2003 3:08:13 PM PDT by Polycarp (the homo issue could be the albatross that "Read my lips" was for Bush's papa -- CKCA'ers, UNITE!!!)
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PING from a young fogey to the other fogies, young, old and middle-aged.
3 posted on 05/18/2003 3:16:00 PM PDT by Loyalist (Keeper of the Schismatic Orc Ping List. Freepmail me if you want on or off it.)
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To: Polycarp
This morning, from the pulpit, my pastor predicted that the Pope will use the occasion of Cardinal Castrillon's Tridentine Mass at S. Maria Maggiore (next week) to announce a universal indult for the old rite. We shall see.
4 posted on 05/18/2003 3:24:44 PM PDT by Romulus
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“The Tridentine Mass would interest only 5 per cent or perhaps 1 per cent of the people in the pews,”

The Modernists talking point response. And yet, to avoid the issue, they ruthlessley have tried to supress the Tridentine Rite for 40 years. This is FEAR talking. This is the same issue fought every generation in the Church, Man centric or God centric. The Modernist Man-Centric are in a panic. As they should be.

5 posted on 05/18/2003 3:28:22 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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“The Tridentine Mass would interest only 5 per cent or perhaps 1 per cent of the people in the pews,”

The Modernists talking point response. And yet, to avoid the issue, they ruthlessley have tried to supress the Tridentine Rite for 40 years.

Amazing, narses, how you managed to hit the nail on the head. I have seen email documentation of the fact that the very priest who was quoted in this article, Fr. Bruno Healy, himself destroyed a Latin Mass community and turned it from a thriving parish into a shell of its former self. HE certainly wants to destroy the traditional liturgy of the Catholic Church, but it's not clear that the laity want to go along with him. Here's an example of Fr. Healy's other activities when he's not bad-mouthing the Catholic Mass:

"Fr Bruno has led one of a series of ecumenical pilgrimages with the Methodists entitled "Seeing and Believing in Stillness" (where is this is in the Catholic creeds!). All the other participants in the series were women in the pretend orders of various protestant denominations."

6 posted on 05/18/2003 3:47:36 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: narses
I actually agree, that 5% of Catholics will be intrested in thge Tridentine mass, but that 5% will produce enough vocations to achieve a sort of critical mass to retore the liturgy to the rets of the Roman Rite.
7 posted on 05/18/2003 3:50:54 PM PDT by JNB
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To: Polycarp
These developments are not universally welcome. ...“There are young fogeys who like it but I think they are just chasing something esoteric. Their interest mystifies and saddens me. ... and I think most priests would say that it is wonderful to speak to people in their own tongue.”

I've heard these sentiments, practically verbatim, almost all my life - and therein lies the problem. The people saying Mass really don't know the people in the pews or what we need to be fed. The liturgists don't know their "audience" (please indulge me just this once). THey know thier own wants and tastes and nothing else. And they aren't interested in anything beyond that.

I'm really hoping this comes to pass and that more people will be amazed. Just being in a silent church as opposed to one where there is constant noise makes such a difference. It's so much more conducive to prayer.
8 posted on 05/18/2003 3:55:52 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Polycarp
Their interest mystifies and saddens me

Father Healy, your lack of interest mystifies and saddens me.

9 posted on 05/18/2003 4:02:27 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Loyalist
Young fogey bump!
10 posted on 05/18/2003 4:04:00 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: narses
Last year, 81 men sought 16 places at the US seminary of the Fraternal Society of St Peter,

What a lack of interest!!

/sarcasm off

11 posted on 05/18/2003 4:05:05 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Maximilian
When I'm right (and it does happen) it is the Holy Spirit that inspires me. Let's not talk about when I'm not. :)
12 posted on 05/18/2003 4:07:02 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: JNB
What do you base that 5% belief on?
13 posted on 05/18/2003 4:08:37 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: narses
For what it's worth, I think all the numbers are pure speculation.

Further, the "popularity" of the Old Rite (irrelevant as such a word may be in context) would be 100% if it were offered at 10AM and Noon on Sundays.

The upcoming letters from Rome in December will be MUCH more interesting than any universal indult--which was almost a 'given' after the year's negotiations with SSPX et al. Those letters will likely contain fairly stringent guidelines which will (ideally) bring the NO some consistency and standards which are theologically-grounded.

It's also likely that ICEL will permanently lose its "franchise"--if not in December, soon thereafter.
14 posted on 05/18/2003 4:31:01 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: ninenot
I've never prayed for anything so hard.

It's going to take a lot of prayer and fasting for what you say to come to pass. Unless what comes out of the Vatican is encouraged and enforced by the bishops, let's face it, most priests will continue on "as you were." I haven't heard a whisper about this stuff in my own parish. And I am at Mass 3 times per week, Adoration twice during the Friday morning 2 1/2 hours we have it, and any grunt job that I can do. Nary a word.

15 posted on 05/18/2003 4:54:29 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: narses

Some polls I have read in the past that said around 10% of Catholics would like to see Latin to return to the mass and a return of traditional rubrics. I think First Things ran the poll a couple of years back. There also is a large number of Catholcis who are simpily tired of the banal nature of the normative mass from 12 EEMs being on the altar to a altar server corps made mostly of altar girls, and horrible hymnals. I by no means think even close to a majority or even a large minority of Catholics would go to the Tridentine mass, but I think far more would go to the Tridentine mass than they are today if it was made more widley avilable. Again, if only 5% of Catholics go to the Tradeitional mass, the vocations produced by this 5% will come to dominate the clergy in the next generation.
16 posted on 05/18/2003 5:04:48 PM PDT by JNB
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To: Polycarp; Maximilian; ninenot; Land of the Irish
Apparently, Fr. Bruno Healy hasn't heard the news from Rome via Inside the Vatican's interview by Robert Moynihan) of Cardinal Arinze who is preparing the gurney and the lethal injection for the gross irreverencies which have become so common in NO liturgy. The good cardinal will be issuing a statement later this year on behalf of his curial agency on the Liturgy and he summed up its contents by saying in the interview: The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace!
17 posted on 05/18/2003 6:03:19 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Kumbayaisma delenda est.!)
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To: Polycarp
Bumping!
18 posted on 05/18/2003 6:11:29 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Loyalist
**PING from a young fogey to the other fogies, young, old and middle-aged.**

LOL! Glad you included me!
19 posted on 05/18/2003 6:12:45 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: american colleen
Prayer and 24/7 Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament!

That's what it will take to bring this about.
20 posted on 05/18/2003 6:19:27 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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