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1 posted on 12/29/2002 5:53:51 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
It deserves to be repeated:
Those involved in liturgical education should take special care not to allow their private preferences to influence their work.

The liturgy is the public worship of the whole Church, not merely the local community. And it is God's gift - through Jesus Christ and His Church - to all the faithful, who have a right to the truth and an obligation to ask for it.

2 posted on 12/29/2002 6:15:18 AM PST by heyheyhey
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Our Father....in Heaven

From CERC

4 posted on 12/29/2002 6:58:24 AM PST by Salvation
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There is an upcoming change to this in the new Sacramentary if it is approved by the Vatican.

From the USCCB website: No position is prescribed in the present Sacramentary for an assembly gesture during the Lord’s Prayer. While the recently approved revised Sacramentary does provide for the use of the orans gesture by members of the assembly during the Lord’s Prayer, the revised Sacramentary may not be used until it has been confirmed by the Holy See. I might also note that in the course of its discussion of the this question, the Bishops’ Committee on the Liturgy expressed a strong preference for the orans gesture over the holding of hands since the focus of the Lord’s Prayer is a prayer to the Father and not primarily an expression of community and fellowship.
7 posted on 12/29/2002 8:40:17 AM PST by Atheist2Theist
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
None of these gestures is mandated or forbidden by the Church. So our guiding principles should be respect for the dignity of the Mass, and respect for the freedom of our fellow worshipers.

Like kneeling at communion, the freedom of our fellow worshipers should be respected.

Good for Chaput. He recognizes that not everything is worth getting in a lather over.

10 posted on 12/29/2002 2:23:22 PM PST by sinkspur
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B'shem haAv, v'haBen, v'Ruach haKodesh, Elohim echod. Amen.

The Prayer To Our Father
(in the original Aramaic)

Abwûn
"Oh Thou, from whom the breath of life comes,

d'bwaschmâja
who fills all realms of sound, light and vibration.

Nethkâdasch schmach
May Your light be experienced in my utmost holiest.

Têtê malkuthach.
Your Heavenly Domain approaches.

Nehwê tzevjânach aikâna d'bwaschmâja af b'arha.
Let Your will come true - in the universe (all that vibrates)
just as on earth (that is material and dense).

Hawvlân lachma d'sûnkanân jaomâna.
Give us bread (understanding, assistance) for our daily need,

Waschboklân chaubên wachtahên aikâna
daf chnân schwoken l'chaijabên.

detach the ropes of faults that bind us, (Karma)
like we let go the guilt of others.

Wela tachlân l'nesjuna
Let us not be lost in superficial things (materialism, common temptations),

ela patzân min bischa.
but let us be freed from that what keeps us off from our true purpose.

Metol dilachie malkutha wahaila wateschbuchta l'ahlâm almîn.
From You comes the all-working will, the lively strength to act,
the song that beautifies all and renews itself from age to age.

Amên.
Sealed in trust, faith and truth.
(I confirm with my entire being)

14 posted on 06/10/2003 5:31:02 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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