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Dec. 28 - Feast of The Holy Innocents
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Posted on 12/28/2002 6:42:04 AM PST by NYer

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This beautiful English lullaby carol originated in the Coventry Corpus Christi Mystery Plays performed in the 15th century. In a play called The Pageant of the Shearmen and Tailors, the women of Bethlehem sing this song just before Herod's soldiers come to slaughter their children. It tells the story of the murder of the Holy Innocents, and is sung on December 28, the feast of those tiny martyrs.

Lully, Lullay, thou little tiny child.
Bye, bye, lully, lullay.
Lullay thou little tiny child
Bye, bye, lully, lullay

O sisters, too, how may we do,
For to preserve this day;
This poor Youngling for whom we sing
Bye, bye lully, lullay

Herod the King, in his raging,
Charged he hath this day;
His men of might, in his own sight,
All young children to slay.

Then woe is me, poor child, for thee,
And ever mourn and say;
For thy parting neither say nor sing,
Bye, bye lully, lullay.


1 posted on 12/28/2002 6:42:04 AM PST by NYer
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To: Siobhan; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ...
Especially today .. please remember those innocent babies who have been brutally killed through abortion and pray for the children seeking new homes through adoption.

Collect for the Feast of the Holy Innocents

O God, whose praise the martyred innocents did this day proclaim, not by speaking, but by dying: Destroy in us all the malice of sinfulness, that our lives may also proclaim thy faith, which our tongues profess. Through our Lord. Amen.


2 posted on 12/28/2002 6:47:19 AM PST by NYer
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To: NYer
Rachel weeping for her children;

she refused to be consoled because they were no more.


BUMP

Such a sad feast. Remember the innocents during the Rosary today. Please.
3 posted on 12/28/2002 7:02:49 AM PST by Desdemona
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Please offer a prayer today for little Mark Van Sickle and for his relatives.
4 posted on 12/28/2002 7:12:26 AM PST by heyheyhey
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The little boy, Mark Van Sickle, was pronounced dead at 12:30 Friday afternoon. He died Friday afternoon at Vanderbilt Medical Center from brain injuries he suffered over the weekend, allegedly by his mother's boyfriend. 

Iit was three days after his first birthday. Little Mark Van Sickle was so badly abused that doctors knew he probably wouldn't survive.

How truly tragic! I will remember this innocent soul in my prayers today.

5 posted on 12/28/2002 7:25:53 AM PST by NYer
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<> Nothing new under the sun...back in ancient times, the Government (Herod) desired the death of THE Innocent one. Today, the Governement still desires the death of innocents<>
6 posted on 12/28/2002 7:26:51 AM PST by Catholicguy
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Thanks, NYer!

7 posted on 12/28/2002 11:32:17 AM PST by Salvation
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8 posted on 12/28/2002 11:37:44 AM PST by Siobhan
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I will pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy. May God enfold little Mark within His arms of Love for eternity.
9 posted on 12/28/2002 11:40:28 AM PST by Siobhan
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Catholic Caucus: Daily Mass Readings, 12-28-02, Feast of the Holy Innocents

Some great reflections here!

10 posted on 12/28/2002 11:44:24 AM PST by Salvation
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**His grandfather, Mark Van Sickle was devastated, "The swelling of the brain just wouldn't go down did everything they could to try and take that down but nothing worked." **

Oh, how sad.
11 posted on 12/28/2002 11:46:16 AM PST by Salvation
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What Abortion Looks Like
12 posted on 12/28/2002 11:47:29 AM PST by Salvation
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Priests for Life

Check back tomorrow and see the updated numbers -- it's heartbreaking.

41,976,458 as of today.

13 posted on 12/28/2002 11:49:57 AM PST by Salvation
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Nothing new under the sun...back in ancient times, the Government (Herod) desired the death of THE Innocent one.

I'm just curious,are there any historical sources that you know of outside the Bible, that would substantiate the claim that the slaughter of the firstborn actually took place?

14 posted on 12/28/2002 11:54:48 AM PST by Codie
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We Americans are by CHOICE and APATHY allowing the killing of our First Born where at least Pharoah and Rachel wept!
16 posted on 12/28/2002 12:59:47 PM PST by victim soul
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Lovely painting.
17 posted on 12/28/2002 2:01:36 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: Codie
I'm just curious,are there any historical sources that you know of outside the Bible, that would substantiate the claim that the slaughter of the firstborn actually took place?

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia ....

The Greek Liturgy asserts that Herod killed 14,000 boys (ton hagion id chiliadon Nepion), the Syrians speak of 64,000, many medieval authors of 144,000, according to Apoc., xiv, 3. Modern writers reduce the number considerably, since Bethlehem was a rather small town. Knabenbauer brings it down to fifteen or twenty (Evang. S. Matt., I, 104), Bisping to ten or twelve (Evang. S. Matt.), Kellner to about six (Christus and seine Apostel, Freiburg, 1908); cf. "Anzeiger kath. Geistlichk. Deutschl.", 15 Febr., 1909, p. 32. This cruel deed of Herod is not mentioned by the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, although he relates quite a number of atrocities committed by the king during the last years of his reign. The number of these children was so small that this crime appeared insignificant amongst the other misdeeds of Herod. Macrobius (Saturn., IV, xiv, de Augusto et jocis ejus) relates that when Augustus heard that amongst the boys of two years and under Herod's own son also had been massacred, he said: "It is better to be Herod's hog [ous], than his son [houios]," alluding to the Jewish law of not eating, and consequently not killing, swine. The Middle Ages gave faith to this story; Abelard inserted it in his hymn for the feast of Holy Innocents:

Ad mandatum regis datum generale
nec ipsius infans tutus est a caede.
Ad Augustum hoc delatum risum movit,
et rex mitis de immiti digne lusit:
malum, inquit, est Herodis esse natum.
prodest magis talis regis esse porcum.

(Dreves, "Petri Abaelardi Hymnarius Paracletensis", Paris, 1891, pp. 224, 274.)

But this "infant" mentioned by Macrobius, is Antipater, the adult son of Herod, who, by command of the dying king was decapitated for having conspired against the life of his father.
18 posted on 12/28/2002 2:06:31 PM PST by NYer
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Truly moving image .... I can't begin to imagine the immense pain suffered by these mothers as they watched their innocent sons put to death by the sword. Wailing is surely an understatement.

Good to see you back in the forum, Siobhan. My prayers for you and your family each day. Welcome back. Know that you are among friends.

19 posted on 12/28/2002 2:10:04 PM PST by NYer
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Thank you very very much. You are a good friend indeed.
20 posted on 12/28/2002 6:00:11 PM PST by Siobhan
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