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To: RnMomof7
These Parables are wonderful proof of predestination and election...not a mythical hole in mans heart that is searching for God.

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Note that the coin does not go looking for it's owner it is helpless and inert ..It does not care who's pocket it is in. It is only of value to the owner

The parable of the lost sheep is similar..the sheep is a dumb animal. It does not even know it is lost. It is not looking for its owner..it has no hole in its heart . It states clearly that the sheep belong to the shepherd..they are not goats that will change into sheep they are sheep...and when He speaks they know his voice, because they are already his. The shepherd has to call to them ..they do not go looking for Him...

and, after seeing our pathetic surroundings, where even the food of pigs start to look good to us, we come to the realization that there has to be something, somewhere, that is better that what we've got now. So, like the son who comes begging back to his father in the parable, we too come begging for something, anything, that will satisfy our needs.

That was not a stranger that came looking to have a nice warm spot to sleep and 4 squares a day...this was a son ..he belonged to the Father .This parable speaks of the backslider and the security of the believer. ..it says nothing about a hole in a heart seeking after God..

Does the Calvinist Bible contain a different Prodigal Son story? In it, does the father go out after the son, and forcibly make him return?

Cause that's Calvinism. The Prodigal Son seems to hinge on the free will of the son, who leaves and then desires to return. Yes, the father will always rejoice when one returns. But the Father did not force irresistable grace on the son.

SD

955 posted on 10/04/2002 8:48:04 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave; RnMomof7
Does the Calvinist Bible contain a different Prodigal Son story? In it, does the father go out after the son, and forcibly make him return?

Cause that's Calvinism. The Prodigal Son seems to hinge on the free will of the son, who leaves and then desires to return. Yes, the father will always rejoice when one returns. But the Father did not force irresistable grace on the son.


Of course, the Father did not force irresistable grace on the son; he is already a son. Irresistable Grace is for before he is a son in order to make him born of God.

This parable has nothing to do with salvation and falling away and then becoming saved again. That's what many Arminians think, but then they would have a pretty stout verse of scripture to deal with for making such a claim.
959 posted on 10/04/2002 9:10:19 AM PDT by theAmbassador
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To: SoothingDave
Does the Calvinist Bible contain a different Prodigal Son story? In it, does the father go out after the son, and forcibly make him return?

Cause that's Calvinism. The Prodigal Son seems to hinge on the free will of the son, who leaves and then desires to return. Yes, the father will always rejoice when one returns. But the Father did not force irresistable grace on the son.

Exactly.

960 posted on 10/04/2002 9:10:40 AM PDT by ponyespresso
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To: SoothingDave
Does the Calvinist Bible contain a different Prodigal Son story? In it, does the father go out after the son, and forcibly make him return?

Dave you do not understand calvinism or the parable

Calvinists believe in free will. Man will always do what he will do..and the elect will always will to come home..

961 posted on 10/04/2002 9:12:53 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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