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To: ksen
Ok, then on what basis did God choose who would be Elect and who would not be Elect?

The Scriptures teach that God makes His choice "for the pleasure of His will" Phil 2:13 is explicit:

for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

And Eph 1:5, 9, and 11

He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, ... He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him ... also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, ...

And Rom 9:11

for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,

Autonomous man rebels against the concept that God as sovereign Creator does things for His own purposes and He doesn't have to seek our counsel or approval. At its heart, Arminianism falls prey to the desire of the sin nature to be sovereign.

923 posted on 10/04/2002 1:55:49 AM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: RochesterFan; RnMomof7
Thank you, RF, for your kind, gentle and truthful response. Ksen and I have both asked the same question, several days apart. In both cases, you answered the question. In both cases, we were attacked by Mom. In #533, I was accused of mocking God, not believing in His sovereignty and even my salvation was questioned...just because I asked a question.

I DO see what you are saying, RF, and I am getting there! I have always had problems understanding predestination, but I do believe it. I ask questions merely in an attempt to help me understand it. (I also don't fully understand how God could create the world out of nothing, but I know He did! That's where faith in what God says in His Word must take over!)

Make no mistake...I am a born-again believer who believes God is sovereign.

935 posted on 10/04/2002 7:17:36 AM PDT by computerjunkie
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