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To: RochesterFan
His choice was made before the foundation of the world.

Ok, then on what basis did God choose who would be Elect and who would not be Elect?

900 posted on 10/03/2002 7:00:44 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Ok, then on what basis did God choose who would be Elect and who would not be Elect?

Eph 1:5   Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    Rom 9:11   (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

Certainly nothing I did that's for sure:>)

902 posted on 10/03/2002 7:28:02 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: ksen
Ok, then on what basis did God choose who would be Elect and who would not be Elect?

The Scriptures teach that God makes His choice "for the pleasure of His will" Phil 2:13 is explicit:

for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

And Eph 1:5, 9, and 11

He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, ... He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him ... also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, ...

And Rom 9:11

for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,

Autonomous man rebels against the concept that God as sovereign Creator does things for His own purposes and He doesn't have to seek our counsel or approval. At its heart, Arminianism falls prey to the desire of the sin nature to be sovereign.

923 posted on 10/04/2002 1:55:49 AM PDT by RochesterFan
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