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To: RnMomof7; xzins; winstonchurchill; Revelation 911; The Grammarian
Abimelech spoke with God and pled his case with God, this from a man who was 'spiritually dead'. He did not have to be regenerated first, in order to understand what God was saying. That is a pathetic twisting of scripture guys and you know it. The "dead " comment was a reference to physical death not spiritual death..

What comment are you referring to?

Abimelech is spiritually dead and is still talking with God!

Now, when I or Xzins bring up the fact that God can shed light into the spiritually dead so they can understand the Gospel, your retort is 'can a corpse understand anything'?

Here is a man with a 'dead' spirit 'understanding' what God wants him to understand.

That is our contention that the light of the Gospel can be understood by the unbeliever because God wants him to understand it.

It is your contention that the man must be regenerated first because 'corpses' cannot understand anything.

A surprise that God chose to directly speak to him...no God was acting to protect his elect..after all God once talked through a donkey. He is God and can use His creation as He wishes..

Well, that is what myself and Xzins (and others) have told you, that God can give the truth of His gospel and it can reach spiritually dead men so that they understand it and can make a choice to accept it or reject it.

I hope that next month we will not here about Lazarus coming forth as an analogy of the spiritually dead man!

But we will! :>)

There is no indication that he became an observant Jew from that encounter...

Ugh? So what?

He was spiritually dead and communicated with God (without being regenerated first) and did as God commanded him to do (he feared God) something that Calvinists say is not possible to a spiritually dead man.

It is you who limit God when you say that God has to regenerate first before the man can respond to the Gospel, since a spiritually dead man cannot understand God.

That spiritually dead man understood God and obeyed him!

874 posted on 10/03/2002 2:08:01 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
See OP's answer...He is right
878 posted on 10/03/2002 2:24:31 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: fortheDeclaration
That spiritually dead man understood God and obeyed him!

Only after God did a work on his will (and heart by implication). Just as hed had done to Abraam... Otherwise, how do you explain Ps 14:3, Ps 53:3, Rom 3:10-12? None seek for God unless God first seeks him!

894 posted on 10/03/2002 4:40:10 PM PDT by RochesterFan
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