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To: RnMomof7
The The Law and its moral commands shows us the way of righteousness and holiness.

True.

All we have to do is never sin, and keep the Law perfectly at every point without fault and we will merit a true holiness before God.

Nope, God knew we would sin. That's why He gave us a Day of Atonement, and told us He would forgive us if we repented.

James 2:10 states, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

This is not a teaching of the Torah. If you were guilty of stealing, should you be stoned for adultery?

If you attempt to keep the Law and fail, if you stumble at one point, you will spend eternity under the wrath of God for being disobedient to His Law.

Maybe we do worship two different Gods... My God forgives us when we stumble and repent. My God is just, and does not punish us infinitely for a finite sin.

469 posted on 10/01/2002 2:55:28 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: angelo
Nope, God knew we would sin. That's why He gave us a Day of Atonement, and told us He would forgive us if we repented.

God did know we would sin that is why he gave us Jesus

Maybe we do worship two different Gods... My God forgives us when we stumble and repent. My God is just, and does not punish us infinitely for a finite sin.

Could I have your scriptural reference on that ? See ange he does not even hear your prayer.. you are caught in a viscious circle.. God will not hear your prayer if you are a sinner...and you can not repent that sin because He can not hear you

Prov 15:8
8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight. (KJV)

Prov 15:29
29 The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous. (KJV)

God does not hear all prayer..He closes his ears to the prayers of many..the only prayer of the unsaved He hears is their prayer for salvation or one that was already in his will..Why do you think so often in scripture that someone begs God to hear their prayer?

Proverbs 15:8
                      The sacrifice of the wicked [is] an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright                       [is] his delight.

                 Proverbs 15:29
                      The LORD [is] far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.

                 Proverbs 28:9
                     He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer [shall be] abomination

Jeremiah 7:16
                      Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither                       make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.

Jeremiah 11:14
                      Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will                       not hear [them] in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.

Lamentations 3:8
                      Also when I cry and shout, he shutteth out my prayer.

Lamentations 3:44
                      Thou hast covered thyself with a cloud, that [our] prayer should not pass through.

                  Psa 66:18
If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear [me]:

Pro 15:8 
  The sacrifice of the wicked [is] an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright [is] his delight.

Mic 3:4  
Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.

Jhn 9:31 
  Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

(Psalm 66:18
If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened;

Proverbs 28:9;
"One who turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.

ISAIAH 59:2-
"But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you, that He will not hear

Jer 14:12
When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence.

    1Pe 3:12  
For the eyes of the Lord [are] over the righteous, and his ears [are open] unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord [is] against them that do evil.

492 posted on 10/01/2002 3:57:07 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: angelo; RnMomof7; drstevej
This is not a teaching of the Torah. If you were guilty of stealing, should you be stoned for adultery?

That is not the point of James 2:10. What it is saying is that if you cannot keep the whole Law, you cannot keep any of the Law. Thus, if you have looked lustfully at another man's wife and thus, have committed adultery in your heart, you have also in your life broken every other point of the Law as well.

Maybe we do worship two different Gods... My God forgives us when we stumble and repent. My God is just, and does not punish us infinitely for a finite sin.

Great! David said he sinned againt the LORD Himself. I'm assuming that you do believe that He is a Being of infinite worth. Therefore, the crime against Him is one of infinite magnitude. Thus, it is a sin deserving an infinite punishment. Simple logic. Do you really believe that you can make an atonement for that?
556 posted on 10/02/2002 5:51:10 AM PDT by CCWoody
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