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To: RnMomof7
No man seeketh after God Mack even your joke testifies to that

I'm sorry, I've been away and am just skimming through various new articles and posts to catch up...and I also know that this wasn't addressed to me...and I know that this wasn't the main topic you were discussing...however...

I've watched you use this quote, or variations on it, in many different instances, I assume to promote your belief in the total depravity of man. But, the more I think about this, and the more I try to relate it to the real world, it just doesn't ring true.

I mean, just a cursory glance through different cultures of the world would show that seeking after God is something that people from around the world engages in quite a lot, in fact. I mean, how many world religions can you think of: Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism (yes, has simple philosophical roots but it is basically a world religion now), Shinto, Bahai, Zoroastrianism (I know there are a few still out there) just to count a few major world religions. Then, from there, we could count the myriad of more localized tribal or natural religions.

Now, before I go further I of course need to make the disclaimer that I do not believe that any of these religions will lead a person directly to Jesus Christ and a saving faith in Him. However, these are, in and of themselves, faiths in some form of a god (small g). If you were right, and no man truly seeketh after God (in the way that you are using this verse), then the world should be void of temples, mosques, churches, alters, rings or whatever people would use to seek out answers from a divine, otherworldly source. But the world is not void of these; in fact, the world is brimming with these. People around the world, and throughout time, have sought to find some answers about the meaning and purpose of their lives here on earth, and while some have looked inwardly, most have looked outwardly (upwardly) to seek, desperately seek, God.

Now, if you want to say that most people don't want to know Jesus specifically, but want their own version of God, well I would tend to agree with you on that. I would probably go one step further and say that most of those who call themselves Christians don't want to really know Jesus specifically, which, by the way, is really what Barna's research is showing and showing quite well. But to use that quote so somehow suggest that all people are one small step away from eating each others raw flesh (which, I think, you alluded to in one post somewhere), I think you are wrong. Someone said that we have a God-sized hole in us, and I believe that completely. We were created to be relational beings and, ultimately, be in relationship with our Creator, and no amount of corruption from the Fall can take that most elemental purpose of our nature out of us.

Sorry if this came out of the blue, but I just really had to say it.

459 posted on 10/01/2002 2:43:29 PM PDT by ponyespresso
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To: ponyespresso
Break down any religion other than Judaism and Christianity, and you will find that man is worshipping himself, the created, not the Creator. They make God in their own image. In contrast, we have the revealed Word of God to tell us the difference. They are all idolators.
466 posted on 10/01/2002 2:49:39 PM PDT by JesseShurun
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To: ponyespresso; CCWoody
No pony they are not seeking after the God of Abraham , Issac and Jacob..they are not seeking after the one true God ..they are to a man seeking a gods of their making..one that meets their specification...Just as the heathans in the OT made gods of clay and stone to meet their needs and expectations so unregenerate man seeks a god that will let him be who he is...

The word of God does not lie..NO unregenerate man seeks after the one true God..the one that will live in you and change you..they like the gods they make not the one that made them

484 posted on 10/01/2002 3:39:19 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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