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I ask you again then Becky Is Gods arrm too weak to save?

If it is His desire to save everyone why is not everyone saved then? Why did he not choose a universal atonment?

BTW most of the Arminians have given up the ALL argument as it makes you Univeralists..they do not argue that anymore

Here is why

3956 pas {pas}

including all the forms of declension; TDNT - 5:886,795; adj

AV - all 748, all things 170, every 117, all men 41, whosoever 31,
everyone 28, whole 12, all manner of 11, every man 11,
no + 3756 9, every thing 7, any 7, whatsoever 6,
whosoever + 3739 + 302 3, always + 1223 3, daily + 2250 2,
any thing 2, no + 3361 2, not tr 7, misc 26; 1243

1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things,
everything
2) collectively
2a) some of all types
++++
... "the whole world has gone after him" Did all the world go after
Christ? "then went all Judea, and were baptized of him in Jordan."
Was all Judea, or all Jerusalem, baptized in Jordan? "Ye are of God,
little children", and the whole world lieth in the wicked one". Does
the whole world there mean everybody? The words "world" and "all" are
used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture, and it is very
rarely the "all" means all persons, taken individually. The words are
generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts
-- some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not
restricted His redemption to either Jew or Gentile ...

C.H. Spurgeon from a sermon on Particular Redemption

You don't think God wishes ALL men saved? How do you read this verse?

Amplified Version 1 Tim. 2:4 Who wishes all men to be saved and increasingly to perceive and recognize and discern and know precisely and correctly the divine Truth.

If God wishes all men saved and has the power to save them if He choose to do so, regardless of what man does (which I believe He could), but all men are NOT saved then there has to be a condition on salvation. That condition is man choosing to believe or not. It's not God's fault if someone is lost, He wants All men saved, but he gave all men the free will to choose.

Becky

From #178)

Bottom Line MUST be:

"So then 'FAITH' cometh by hearing, and hearing 'BY' The WORD of GOD."

(Romans 10:17)

Maranatha!

If it is His desire to save everyone why is not everyone saved then? Why did he not choose a universal atonment?

So then, Spurgeon and you are arguing that "all" doesn't mean "all?"

At lest that is an explanation. I couldn't see why you kept saying that, since if God desired all to be saved and they all aren't, then His power is in question.

If it is His desire to save everyone why is not everyone saved then? Why did he not choose a universal atonment?

C'mon, Mom, this has been asked and answered three or four times. God offers, but He does not compel. He allows us the dignity of making our free choice.

Of what value is a compelled "love"? Would you not prefer that your children love you of their own free choice, not out of compulsion or threat of punishment?