Posted on 09/30/2002 9:19:01 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Nope, sorry wrong again!
BigMack
You are possibly into dangerous territory here. Would you deny that everything we have, every thing, is absolutely "on loan from God?" That what we are given, we are given as stewards?
SD
The one whom you think is "Christ" is not moshiach. The worship of a man as God is idolatrous. You must repent and serve alone.
See how this can work both ways?
The difference being that I don't believe that those who don't believe as I do are consigned to hell for all eternity.
Back on point:
1. Do you believe that you have free will?
2. Did Joshua choose to serve God?
3. Was Noah a righteous man?
4. 3. What did God mean when he said "I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse"(Deuteronomy 30:19)?
Let me add a fifth:
5. Why do you think you deserve to suffer in hell for all eternity?
I think Angelo is blind and deaf to the gospel.
Now if faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word..then maybe at some point a scripture will open his eyes.
The Mormons have read the bible too, so have the JW's..without the illumination of the Holy Spirit to a regenerate heart it is just bachround noise
How often did you hear it before you HEARD it?
How can one drive someone further away than lost?
See by your construct if you are nice to Ange and do not challange him too much MAYBE he will finally hear it thanks to your good nature
I think that Ange will hear and understand when God opens his ears to hear it and not one minute sooner..I can not save anyone..only God calls and saves..
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
I can not pretend that Ange is simply arguing a doctrinal distinction as you and I are...This is a serious thing Mack someone we both like alot is lost..so I get hyper sorry
That's really sad. You must really abhor freedom.
The way I see it, if a being needs to enslave beings and crush their will in order to have other beings to praise him, that is a pretty weak being. It's like dog people, who need to have the toadying worship of a lesser creature.
Now a being who gives his creation a true freedom to love him or not, multiplies his golory when these free beings decide to show their love, and praise his glory. It's like cat people.
SD
It was a call to save themselves by perfectly keeping the law of God perfectly and then they would have life . Could they ? Did they?
So then, my unanswered question from before re-appears. Was God just teasing them?
SD
Dave the problem is the only freedom that seems to count here is the carnal freedom to choose between evils..there is another choice you know?
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
I am free ..those that are IN Christ are free..truly free..before that we were slvaes to sin.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
.Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Now a being who gives his creation a true freedom to love him or not, multiplies his golory when these free beings decide to show their love, and praise his glory. It's like cat people.
Is a man enslaved by sin free?
Yes, it's called free will, and if you weren't afraid of freedom you would think about it. Address my comments on why a divine being would want slaves to toady to him rather than willing subjects.
SD
Nope. I reject Jesus because he does not meet the requirements of the messiah. I find the Jewish interpretation of the Hebrew scriptures to be superior to that of Christianity.
You believe that your standing before the LORD is based upon your own merit; that you have obtained righteousness through observance of the Law.
Not exactly. Righteousness is obtained through obedience to God.
You believe that you do not need this "salvation" which the gentiles here speak because you believe that you already have it.
Essentially yes. And you know what? So do you.
In this way, all the gentiles who have preached the gospel to you have done you a great harm because they have not really preached the good news promised in the Law and the Prophets.
CC, you don't know me very well. My father is Christian and my mother is Jewish. I was brought up a Christian and returned to Judaism as an adult. I know what Christianity is about. I know how Christians interpret the Hebrew scriptures. I simply disagree with them.
Let me say that the LORD has raised up for us of the fruit of the patriarch David's body Jesus and that Man is sitting on the throne of David.
That's interesting. In what way is Jesus descended from David?
6. Does God always get what He wants?
Well, except for all those poor souls who are predestined to eternal damnation.
I don't know if this has been answered, but here you go just in case it hasn't been.
Gen 1:
[28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
I got a chuckle out of it. I was wonderin' who was gonna be the goat. ;o)
Nope, sorry wrong again!
I think Mack is Irish. ;o)
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