The regulation of the Liturgy is a matter of Canon Law, not the Magisterium. It is assigned, canonically, to the Holy See, and ONLY the Holy See. And if the Pope declares that the Old Rite will immediately and totally supplant the Novus Ordo, it will be so.And when a past Pope declared that the Novus Ordo immediately and totally supplanted the Tridentine? It was so wasn’t it? Yet so many refused to accept that, and some of these schismed in their disobedience.
Then you will, with knee-jerk obeisance to the Pope, attend Old Rite Masses which THIS POPE AUTHORIZED EXPLICITLY.The Pope has never commanded that we go to the Tridentine, he has only asked his Bishops to make it available for those who wish to go. Thus, if Catholic Guy is not someone who wishes to go, he should not go. That would be obedience, in this case.
The Council did NOT teach infallibly about the Rite of the Mass. The Rite is a CANON LAW matter, reserved to the Holy See. It is regulatory, not doctrinal, not dogmatic. Catholic Guy doesn't want to understand this.CG doesn’t understand this? No offense ninenot, but the folks who generally refuse to understand that are the schismatic Traditionalists who refuse to accept the Novus Ordo. Many of whom rely on Quo Primum of course, and seem to have absolutely no idea what the liturgy really is.
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No offense ninenot, but the folks who generally refuse to understand that are the schismatic Traditionalists who refuse to accept the Novus Ordo
No offense taken. Look at the thread. In fact, regardless of the schismatics' position on the matter, the discussion is about liturgical practice--the Rite. In fact, the Rite is not infallibly defined; if it were, the Quo Primum would still be in effect and the Rite of Trent would be said.
CG's position, unless I misunderstand gravely, is that the Liturgy is infallibly defined by the Council. That's hogwash.
Even if that is NOT his position, he argues that a universal indult is not a good thing. I argue to the contrary, and cite the multiplicity of Uniate Rites now extant.
Even if THAT is not his position, he certainly has serious reservations about the Old Rite and many of its adherents. In that case, he is at least being judgmental.
I know and understand that there are many who will NOT accept the Novus. I, for one, do, unhesitatingly. But CG should not prevail in blocking the potential Universal Indult.
Further, some of his statements regarding infallibility are just plain uninformed (and there are a multitude of cites above.)
In matters where the Council reaffirmed infallible teachings, the Council is infallible. Where it proposed new infallible teachings, it was infallible.
IN ALL OTHER MATTERS (such as Liturgy) it was NOT.